Gay Christian Dopers, I need your help.

[Mockingbird]

Thanks to Homebrew, MrVisible, and Freyr as my supportive homo posse.

And thanks again to everyone else.

There is still more to do, and I will be e-mailing a few of you tomorrow about getting him the support he needs.

Love is wonderful and powerful, but he needs more support right now as he has no one being supportive around him right now.

[lel]

Mockingbird, it’s splendid to hear of this new love in your life! (Being neither gay nor a Christian, all I can offer is my support, but here’s to hoping it’s great for the both of you!)

[Freyr]

…supportive homo posse

band name !!

[Polycarp]

Mockingbird, feel free to e-mail me if there’s anything I can do. While Andygirl is busy these days, I’m pretty sure she’d extend the same invitation. And I think you know many of the gay-affirming Christians here, and I’m sure any of us would be glad to do what we can.

Now will you guys go over to the Pit and tweak Esprix’s nipples?

[Mockingbird]

*Originally posted by MrVisible *
**Mockingbird, I hope this works out for you. I’ve been in a similar relationship, albeit briefly. The man you’re talking to is in a tough situation, and you could be pivotal in helping him out of it. But take care of yourself in the process; starting a relationship by taking the role of counselor can complicate things enormously.

Good luck. **

That’s why I came on here seeking Christians that were either gay or gay friendly for him to talk to and gain strength from.

I am there for him, but I cannot be everything.

And I love him and want him to be happy and at peace.

Thank you for your good wishes.

[Polycarp]

One more thing: the best writing I’ve ever done on the subject of gay people and what God might think of them is here. I’d consider it an honor if you showed it to him, as a means of salving his apparently-conflicted values.

God bless you both and your life together.

[Mockingbird]

*Originally posted by Polycarp *
**One more thing: the best writing I’ve ever done on the subject of gay people and what God might think of them is here. I’d consider it an honor if you showed it to him, as a means of salving his apparently-conflicted values.

God bless you both and your life together. **

What more can I say but thank you.

[Guinastasia]

Mockingbird-I wish the two of you nothing but the best. Good luck and God be with you!

Tiburon, that is one cool priest. I hope you’re still in contact with him. That was what we were taught when I was in parochial school, and that’s my belief today-whatever you do to your fellow human beings-that’s what you’re doing to God. And you will be judged accordingly.

[Tiburon]

Steve Wright, Mr. Visible, Guisastasia: Yeah, that priest does kick ass.

Mockingbird - best of luck and love to you.

Tibs.

[Mockingbird]

If the program my love is in scared me before, now it chiils me since he sent me a copy of the agreement people sign before getting into the program.

Men’s Division

Rules and Regulations

Eligibility

Anyone who has expressed faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal savior and has a desire to serve Him in the ministries of the Orlando Union Rescue Mission is eligible for the discipleship program.

Program Goals

To teach you, from the Bible, how to live a victorious life according to the Word of God.

To help you get involved with and become a member in good standing with a local Bible-believing fellowship.

Church, Chapel, & Bible Study

All disciples are required to attend morning Bible study at 7am on Mondays through Fridays. Disciples under 104 days may have certain special classes they are required to attend.

All disciples under 104 days (see 3. Time Table, pg. 2) must attend Bible study in the evenings at 7pm on Mondays through
Fridays unless otherwise announced.

Senior disciples must attend a minimum of five services a week, either at the Mission or at their own fellowship.

On Saturday, you must attend the normal evening chapel service; on Sunday, you are required to either attend the morning chapel service at the Mission or worship with your own fellowship.

Disciples under 104 days may attend an outside fellowship provided it is approved by management; see the list of approved churches.

Conduct

Absolutely no drinking alcoholic beverages or use of controlled substances at any time. This includes abuse of prescription medication and excessive use of tobacco products. The Mission reserves the right to perform drug and breath testing as deemed appropriate by the management. Smoking is permitted in designated areas only.

No immorality, including, but not limited to: fornication, adultery, and homosexuality.

Having, watching, or reading any pornographic or morally degenerate material, including books, magazines, videos, or audio recordings with profanity or nudity; you will be subject to dismissal. No material with a rating of higher than PG (as defined by the MPAA) or equivalent may be watched or listened to. All materials must be screened by management. Non-Christian concerts, performances, and sports events must be cleared ahead of time by the management.

No profanity at any time. This is cause for immediate dismissal.
Absolutely no fraternizing with women on our program. If you have a wife or a girlfriend, you are allowed to visit with them in the front lobby with management’s approval. You are here to develop your relationship with God, not women.

Disciple’s Signature

Timetable

Your first two weeks at the Mission are a probationary period. You may not leave the Mission property except to perform your volunteer duties.

After your first two weeks, you are considered “On Program,” and may leave the property if accompanied by a senior disciple (see #3) or a staff member.

After 104 days (two-weeks probation plus 90-days program) you are considered a “senior disciple,” and may leave the property at will. Absolutely no one is permitted out after 10pm without management’s approval.

Room & Bunk

You must make your bed or bunk before leaving your area in the morning. This will be inspected on a random basis and may not be announced beforehand. If you are found in violation, you may be asked to give up your room or to leave the program. Three written warnings on this issue within a two-month period and you will be asked to leave the program.

No food or drink in any room or the dorms at any time. Food and drink may be consumed in the dining room, patio, or recreation room only.

Do not open doors, windows, or sit or lay on bedspreads.
Do not change the décor of your room or area.

Electric heaters, coffee pots, hot plates, and extension cords longer than six feet are not permitted.

Do not go into other peoples’ rooms, areas, or personal belongings at any time. Anyone living in the top dorm is not permitted in the bottom dorm, and vice versa; disciples living in the rooms are not permitted in the dorms, and vice versa-unless it is required by your volunteer duties.

Dress Code

All clothing must present a Christian image; thus prohibited is apparel displaying profane slogans or symbols, apparel advertising or promoting alcohol, tobacco, drugs, or immoral behavior, and gang-related apparel (including, but not limited to, do-rags).

Hair must be kept clean and at a reasonable length at all times.
No hats or headwear, shorts, sleeveless shirts, ragged-looking clothing, or open-toed shoes are to be worn in the chapel, dining room, or public areas.

Disciples working at the stores must wear long pants, a shirt with a collar, and closed-toe shoes.

No earrings or body piercing on any part of your body.

You may receive five sets of clothing after your two-week probation is completed. On a date set by management, you may trade clothing with items from the store on a one-for-one basis.

Entertainment

We are taught, as Christians, to do everything unto the Lord and the glory of God; this limits us as to what we should listen to or watch.

Only Christian radio and television not audible outside your room or area may be watched or listened to. In areas with two or more people, you must use earphones; personal radios should only be heard by the listener.

Televisions over 13 inches diagonal are not permitted in the rooms.

Disciple’s Signature

Laundry and Supplies

Laundry may be done only after the laundry man has completed all of the Mission laundry for the day. The laundry room closes at 7pm promptly. No laundry may be done after 7pm except with permission.

You are responsible for your own laundry; do not ask the laundry man to do yours. Accordingly, if you are responsible for doing the dorm laundry, you are not permitted to do other disciples’ laundry.
The laundry facility is provided for your use only; unauthorized laundry is prohibited.

Soap, shampoo, laundry detergent, and other Mission-supplied consumables must be requested between 8am and 3:30pm on weekdays.

Miscellaneous

Any time you leave the mission you must sign out on the sign-out sheet located either by the registration desk or in the business office. When you return, you must sign in.

No one is allowed in the kitchen or dining room except at meal time or when you are working in those areas. All kitchen volunteers are to stay out of the kitchen unless they are on duty.
You may not charge anyone for any service provided by the Mission.

Buying or selling from clients or disciples is not permitted; this is cause for immediate dismissal.

No donating blood or plasma in exchange for cash or any form of gratuity.

If you leave the program, we will hold your property for a maximum of 48 hours unless management decides that the circumstances warrant an extension. The 48 hours begins at 8am on the day of departure.

To be eligible for internship or the work program, you must first complete the first phase of the program. There are specific requirements and positions. This should be discussed with management after completing your 104 days, the Victorious Life class, and any required Learning Center classes. Note: There are only certain position that make you eligible for internship; there are also additional requirements for the internship program which will be discussed with you by management at the appropriate time.

By signing here, I affirm that I have read and understood these rules and regulations and agree to abide by them.

Disciple’s Signature Date

Interviewer’s Signature Date

CREEPY.

[Freyr]

**Guinastasia wrote:

That was what we were taught when I was in parochial school, and that’s my belief today-whatever you do to your fellow human beings-that’s what you’re doing to God. And you will be judged accordingly.**

Sorta gives a whole new look on “Judge not, lest ye yourself be judged,” eh?

Mockingbird, that list was indeed creepy. Sounds worse than boot camp. FYI, I went thru boot camp when I was in the service, back in Aug/Sept. of '78.

[lachesis]

:: shivers ::

wait, don’t tell me… are the “disciples” also granted the privilege of making a large donation (i.e., “paying”) when they attend boot camp…uh…this program?

please tell me their beverage of choice isn’t grape Koolaid…

lachesis

[An_Arky]

Freyr said:

…supportive homo posse

band name !!

Not to make light in this important thread but I also think that

Gay Christian Dopers

would make an excellent band name.

Seriously, best of luck, Mockingbird, and for God’s sake, be careful!

[Mockingbird]

*Originally posted by lachesis *
**:: shivers ::

wait, don’t tell me… are the “disciples” also granted the privilege of making a large donation (i.e., “paying”) when they attend boot camp…uh…this program?

please tell me their beverage of choice isn’t grape Koolaid…

lachesis **

No, my dear fate, to be in that program means you are fighting some type of drug dependacy.

I have seen through my love’s eyes what a toll it can take on someone when they are told that not only are their sexual impulses wrong, but so is their love.

I pray constantly that he makes it to me safely. And even then, I realize that is only half the battle. The rest will be supporting him emotionally, listening, and showing him what resources are around for him.

I will do my best to not push, but offer. To give what he asks for and not what I think he needs.

I know I am taking a lot on. He’s worth it.

[Tiburon]

I may have missed something, Mockingbird - how long have you two known each other on the net and how long has it been since you’ve met face to face? If that isn’t too personal?

[Profane]

I’m send a link to this to my sister. Her church is gay friendly, I’m hoping she might be able to find someone for him to talk to. Best of luck to you both.

[Cyrin]

Ok, if that agreement is supposed to represent Christianity, I don’t know who it is I’ve been following all these years! They must have been reading about a totally different Christ… wow, what are the odds!

Mockingbird, all the best!
My prayers are with both of you.

[Homebrew]

Here’s another Link.

[Guinastasia]

Jesus Christ! That’s pretty bad-whatever happened to Alcoholics Anonymous?

(My great aunt is in AA and a counselor for Al-Anon and Al-Ateen as well, it’s a great program although a very demanding one).

Dammit, that’s bad.