Gay marriage, gay rights and WTF is wrong with people? (long, probably incoherent rantage)

The BBQ Pit
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Hopefully this won’t be completely incoherent but I’m both drunk AND pissed off. I got into a fight tonight (and that’s really stupid for someone my age). I have the shiner and some seriously bruised knuckles and quite possibly, when I sober up, I’ll need to see a doctor. And all because some people are both stupid and intolerant, but, luckily, they also think that gay people (and their friends) can’t fight.

Anyway, the fight happened because a bunch of us were drinking and talking about gay rights and gay marriage in the US, and how criminal it is that there are American’s who think that it’s right and proper to deny gays the same basic rights that everyone else have. Think about that for a moment…American citizens are denied the same rights as other American citizens simply because of what they do in their own bedrooms and who they do it with. I mean…WTF??

Several of my friends are gay. They were talking about some of the hardships they have gone through (they are all older people like me, so they have gone through some serious hardships in their lifetimes), and how they still struggle because of the prejudices of people who want to deny them the same rights that most other American’s enjoy…the right to marriage and all the legal things that entitles the rest of us married heterosexuals too. As we were talking, some bozos at another table kept making comments. At first, I didn’t even notice. I tend to focus on any discussion I’m having…and I also tend to focus on the whole drinking things as well, so I’m generally oblivious to what anyone else who isn’t part of my circle is saying. Eventually, however, they got to be seriously obnoxious. It wasn’t just snide remarks, they were interjecting a lot of pretty vile slurs and insulting remarks into our private conversation. Eventually, even someone as drunk and clueless as me started to notice.

Long story short, two of these guys at the other table had serious issues with gays and the whole gay marriage issue. Me, being me, once I started to twig to this, I wanted to have a debate about it, and, being me, I wanted to grind their stupid faces in their stupidity. I asked them the question that has always seriously bothered me…how can American’s think it’s fair or right to deny other American citizens the rights they enjoy simply because of what they do in their own bedrooms and with who? It’s like the whole thing about denying some American citizens rights that others have simply due to their skins. We fucking resolved this in the 60’s, morons! (as an aside at this point, me being drunk AND obviously hispanic probably didn’t help things in these guys mind).

Anyway, the word became more and more heated, with these guys getting more and more angry (and me throwing hydrogen on the bonfire, I have to admit…guilty as charged), so that eventually we all ‘stepped outside’. Drunk XT stumbles out just in time for the standard male shouting/pushing match that seemingly is how most people work themselves up to start throwing punches. Drunk and pissed off XT doesn’t go for these preliminaries, however, instead walks up, plants his big cowboy boot on the instep of asshole number one and punches asshole number two in the chest, where it will REALLY hurt…and then gets hit from behind by asshole number 3, who drunk XT was too, well, drunk to notice.

Mad fighting ensues for about, oh, 30 seconds or so, when bigoted assholes are scraped up by the ‘faggots’ and their friends, and someone gives (old) and drunk XT a hand up and helps him dust off and check to see if all his teeth are still attached and if everything is working at least nominally. It all seems to be, so the designated drivers drive us all home, while the rantage continues.

Home now, and my pissed off level has actually gone up as the events percolate through the whiskey fumes. WTF is wrong with people? Why the hell would anyone butt into someone’s private conversation in the first place? We weren’t particularly loud (well, XT has a loud and carrying voice, especially when he is into the argument, but I don’t think I was any louder than anyone else in the place…I might have been saying ‘fuck’ a lot, but that didn’t seem to be the crux of these idiots problem anyway. I don’t get it. How can anyone think that these kinds of laws and this level of blockage and foot dragging on this issue are going to accomplish anything in the long run. It’s like those idiot whites in the south. When I was a kid I remember seeing (on the one guy in our neighborhoods black and white TV) school children like me who were getting set on by dogs and hit by water hoses. How did those fucking morons thing that was a good idea? What the fuck did they think their legacy was going to be, or how they’d be viewed by history? How can real American’s do things like this and BE fucking American’s?

Well, I’m winding down now, so I’m just going to try to leave you all with some words of wisdom…

Oh, fuck that. And fuck you to, tall white leathery faced motherfucker with the cowboy hat on. I ENJOYED putting my fist through your solar plexus. That look on your pasty white face was, as in the Visa commercials…priceless. I wish I had time to show you the pleasures of my cowboy boots connecting with your testicles, but alas, your blond buddy with the 5 o-clock shadow sucker punched me before I could introduce your balls to my boots. Sadly for buddy number 3 when you sucker punch a drunk, overweight and highly pissed off Hispanic never NEVER grab him by the collar and start pushing him backwards. You never know when you might learn what the term kataguruma with Ippon-Seoi-Nage…the result being that a drunk, fat and highly pissed off Hispanic guy managed to land right on top of you, just when the world stopped moving. (full confession…I acheived Ippon-Seoi-Nage more because I was so hugely drunk than from any skill on my part in this little encounter. It was a lot of fun to land on the guys chest because I over rotated on the shoulder throw though…220 pounds of pissed off Hispanic squashing the guy who hit me with a sucker punch flat).

In summary, if you are a bunch of bigoted assholes who are intolerant of others, then just stay at your table, mind your own business, and in general STFU. Whatever someone is discussion at another table is NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS, you sway backed shit kickers! If you want to keep your poisoness and brain death beliefs then that’s your look out…you can lead even an idiot such as yourselves to knowledge, but you can’t make them think. But, just so you know, once you start spewing out the shit I’m going to tell you my mind…I think you and others like you are ignorant assholes who are a blot on the honor of our nation, you are unAmerican in every sense of the word, and no only do I revile you as deeply as possible, but history will look back on pieces of shit such as yourself and they will judge you in exactly the same way that those southerners were judged for turning firehoses and dogs on little boys and girls just trying to go to school…American citizens turning firehoses and dogs on other American citizens children to keep them from going to school.

I’d say that I will derive a lot of satisfaction from your eventual shame and humiliation as your positions are shown to be the travisty they are but…well, beating the crap out of 3 of you, and having my friends do the same for the other guys at that table was satisfaction enough. I hope I squished the shit out of asshole number 3 when my fat Hispanic body came crashing down on him because, man, that felt good!

-XT

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I can understand, and good on you for having the courage of your convictions, but be careful. If you get knifed in some bar’s parking lot somewhere then I’ll be the Doper with the worst spelling errors and grammatical mistakes, so don’t be so selfish!

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My bad spelling, poor syntax and horrible sentence structure will live on, long after I’m gone! But I do appreciate the position it would put you in, Finn, so I’ll try and keep that in mind in the future. I’ll also try and keep in mind that when you do an over the shoulder throw of someone at my age, you are going to be a hurtin pup in the morning…

-XT

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Well let’s be fair, I’m a straight male, and I’m not allowed to have a same-sex marriage either.

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Jeez, I know we’re supposed to be fighting ignorance and all, but some people take that advice a bit more seriously than others!

Glad to hear you’re okay though.

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So, did you beat them into accepting gay marriage?

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While I agree with you, this is why I never talk about politics with strangers.

In fact, I rarely talk about politics with people I know, either.

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To you?

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So, wait…

You beat off two guys, and then another guy took you from behind?

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A foursome’s getting just a little greedy now, isn’t it?

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So, you were drunk and loud enough, and riled up with your conversation for it to bleed over to another table on a topic that people have strong end emotional opinions about—in a bar. They speak their mind, which you will have none of, and you wind up going outside, where you whine about a guy sucker-punching you after you turned up the heat to the point of no return by stomping on a guys instep and hitting another guy. :rolleyes: Then, the friends you were with, who evidently outnumbered the other guys, jumped in and got the better of them. And you’re pleased with this scenario? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sounds like the only justice here is that the fat Hispanic who actually threw the first punch is feeling some pain and will feel more in the morning.

You deserved getting your ass kicked just for throwing the first punch and offering up the lame false equivalence between SSM and America’s old anti-miscegenation laws. Now if you didn’t throw the first punch I think the ass kicking you deserved was just in terms of debate.

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If you call somebody a faggot in a bar, you’re going to get your ass kicked. That’s how it works. Those are the rules.

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Why doesn’t it surprise me that, on the issue of homosexuality and gay marriage, you interpret “vile slurs and insulting remarks” about gays as the other people “speak[ing] their mind”?

But of course, your opposition to SSM has nothing to do with homophobia.

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if XT and his buddies had been complaining about queers and Obamacare and praising the Packers, I still would be on his side if a bunch of assholes from another table had decided to horn in and start harrassing them. People have a right to talk about whatever they want to talk about when they’re drinking with their buddies without being harrassed and called names by dickwipes at the next table.

Funny how magellan thinks that XT and his friends were riled up and drunk while the yahoos at the next table were “speaking their minds.” Weren’t XT and his friends speaking their minds? The difference is they weren’t personally insulting and dicking with people at another table whose conversation didn’t concern them.

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Why do you believe it’s a false equivalence?**

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Because he’s an asshole bigoted right-winger.

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I haven’t followed/am not aware of Magellan’s views on SSM, so I’m curious to see him elaborate on his position. I’ve argued in the past that people can be opposed to SSM (and be wrong and against the tide of history to boot, but still not be bigoted) and whether or not someone is right-wing had nothing to do with it.

To be, it seems that an analogy between prohibiting marriage based on racial grounds and prohibiting marriage based on sexual orientation/gender pairings is fairly tight. I’m curious to see why he believes it’s strongly inaccurate.

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Whenever something is clearly a matter of bigotry, he’s always on the side of the bigots. But always with some kind of noble sounding rhetoric about “protecting their culture”, or “letting them speak their mind” as here. He never outright admits to personal bigotry; he just uses more forthright bigots as proxies.

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Magellan has more posts on the subject of gay marriage then any other poster on the board. He is firmly against it. He insists he is against gay marriage for non bigoted reasons. Your welcome to go read his hundreds of posts on the subject and judge for yourself.

I’m of the opinion he is a bigot.

Even if he is truly the principled objector he claims to be he seems more then willing to jump to the defense of people who are clearly bigots.

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So, how old are you?

Unless you’re like 21, I gotta wonder how it is you aren’t aware that people with prejudices are never swayed by violence. Granted you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. All you did was convince them they were right all along. Good one.

So you were drunk and loud, in the bar, about a highly charged issue, ending up punching out some cowboys in an alley. You’re not helping.

I’m kind of thinking you earned your lumps. And that the SSM side would like you to stay the hell out of it if this is your idea of advancing the cause.