Gender Fluidity

Since it is hard to find current scientific research on this topic, how about a current law ruling in favor of the “nonbinary?” In 2016 an Oregon court ruled that nonbinary is a legal gender.

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An Oregon circuit court has ruled that a resident can change their legal gender to “nonbinary,” a gender identity that is neither male nor female.

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“I was assigned male at birth due to biology,”[…] “I’m stuck with that for life. My gender identity is definitely feminine. My gender identity has never been male, but I feel like I have to own up to my male biology. Being non-binary allows me to do that. I’m a mixture of both. I consider myself as a third sex.”

This is the first instance in the country that a court has ruled that “nonbinary” is a legal gender identification, according to the Transgender Law Center.

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The decision does not necessarily mean that Shupe will be able to list a nonbinary gender on legal documents. Currently, Oregon does not allow genders other than “male” or “female” on driver’s licenses[…] And federal documents such as passports require the listed gender to be “male” or “female.”

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“The next step is for agencies issuing identification documents like the Department of Motor Vehicles and the Passport Office to acknowledge this judge’s order and issue identity documents that reflect Mx. Shupe’s identity and others like them.”
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Congrats on the ridiculous linguistic twisting. Too bad the mods won’t see it as such. ETA: posted this before I saw the mod warning.

Right. Please refrain from addressing such posts.

Colibri
General Questions Moderator

To be honest, the most interesting research to me would be on efficacy.

I didn’t mean to imply that transgenderism was only “real” because of chemical differences. Chemical differences are a sufficient condition for realness, but not a necessary one.

To me, the far more interesting–and definitive–proof that transgenderism is real (for lack of a better word) is that sex reassignment WORKS. If a male-sexed child says “I identify as female and I really want to be female, that will make me happy,” that child is probably right–presenting as female and possibly beginning medical treatment will make the child happy (well, happier–life is hard for the LGBT community).

Compare that to people with a plastic surgery addiction. If a crooked-nosed child says “I really just want to have a straight nose, that will make me happy” there’s a very good chance that that child is completely wrong. In contrast to gender dysphoria, many cases of body dysphoria have deeper roots than a simple disagreement with biology, and many people go for change after change after change without ever being satisfied.

I really really don’t like it when someone argues for something NOT because they really believe it but because they like the convenient results of it being thought to be true. It’s intellectually dishonest.

It’s no one’s goddam business whether there are choices involved. Or, perhaps more to the point, someone chooses, making value judgments, selecting in favor of boy-behavior instead of girl-behavior for themselves, not once but over and over and over again. Were there reasons for those choices? If not, why did this person make these choices and someone else with the same biologically-sexed body make different choices? Maybe there are characteristics that can be traced to physiological things, but maybe not. If not, that doesn’t make ‘who they are’ less real.

Suicide Attempts among Transgender and Gender Non-Conforming Adults
Ann P. Haas, Ph.D. and Philip L. Rodgers, Ph.D., Jody L. Herman, Ph.D. 2014
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:D8jk5mT3N60J:http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf%2B&hl=en&gbv=1&ct=clnk

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The prevalence of suicide attempts among respondents
to the National Transgender Discrimination Survey (NTDS)[…] is 41 percent, which vastly exceeds the 4.6 percent of the overall U.S. population who report a lifetime suicide attempt, and is also higher than the 10-20 percent
of lesbian, gay and bisexual adults who report ever attempting suicide.
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 it may be tempting to consider suicide attempt data to be the best available proxy measure of suicide death. Data from the U.S. population at large, however, show clear demographic differences between suicide attempters and those who die by suicide.[…] in the absence of supporting data, we should be especially careful not to extrapolate findings about suicide attempts among transgender adults to imply conclusions about completed suicide in this population.
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Remember the ~20% suicide attempt rate of all LGB’s? Well, the rate for those who are also T-ransgender jumps to 40%. Heterosexual transgenders try suicide 35% of the time, while asexual/other try it 46% of the time. (Table 3 page 7)

Those who are actively gender fluid manage to shave off 10% of their attempt rates, clocking in at only 32%; while transgenders that stick to identifying as male or female have their attempts at 42-43% (table 4 page 8)

Across the board, be it counseling/hormone treatment/or any type of surgery to transition from one sex to another, those who actively do not want any of those things done, and never have them done, will have a 10-15% lower chance of suicide attempts than those who “want it someday” or have had those things done. The difference between low 30‘s and high 40‘s. (table 5 page 8)

Likewise, the lesson seems to be never tell anyone about your true nature, or let them catch on. Those who can easily pass as not transgender only try suicide during their lives 36% of the time, where those who think others can tell that they are trans try 41-46%. (table 6 pg9) People who never tell another about being transgender have a rate of 33%, still lower than those who tell family or close friends 41-40%, or worse, everyone 50%. (table 8 pg9) Being “out” in any setting, be it home/school/work/etc puts them in the ~40% range of trying suicide; while staying closeted keeps them in the ~30% range. (table 9 pg9)

If you thought those numbers were bad, having mental health issues on top of transgenderism boosts the chance of a suicide attempt by 15-30% (essentially, from 30-40%->60%+) (table 12 page 10). In addition, various life stressors such as homelessness, workplace harassment, family violence, etc are bad enough for regular transgenders; but mental health issues basically raised their suicide attempts in those instances by 10-15% (table 21 page 13).

If we want to see really high numbers, say above a 70% suicide attempt rate, then sexual harassment is the way to get it. Be it by police (table 19 pg 13), or by sexual assault from elementary through college (table 15 pg 11). Who could have guessed that the transgendered are most vulnerable through sexual violation?

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In regard to timing of suicide attempts and gender transition, some surveys and clinical studies have found that transgender people are at an elevated risk for suicide attempt during gender transition, while rates of suicide attempts decrease after gender transition (Whittle et al., 2007; DeCuypere et al., 2006; Transgender Equality Network Ireland, 2012).
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