Yeah, she did, actually. She asked for citable references in the OP, and as noted above later asked for official information.
Moderator Note
Speak to me Maddie!, if you are going to snark at people it’s best to actually read the OP and subsequent posts. No warning issued, but let’s keep remarks like this out of General Questions.
I think the kind of evidence the OP is looking for is literary.
There must be dozens of poetic references to the moon as feminine - for example in Romeo and Juliet - suggesting that the moon is indeed “considered” female in our English-speaking culture.
Regarding languages (which I acknowledge the OP isn’t asking about), I note that in Irish the sun is feminine and the moon is masculine. Same in Lithuanian. I don’t know about Slavic or other gendered languages.
So, so far we have:
Sun male, moon female (Quechua, Romance languages - and Greek?)
Sun female, moon male (Celtic, Germanic, Baltic)
Could be either, but normally both female (Hebrew)
Don’t be so quick on the Celtic. Welsh and Breton follow the Romance pattern, with sun (haul / heol, cognate with Latin sol) masculine and moon (lloer / loar, alternatively lleuad) feminine.
There’s some reason to suspect the “sun” words switched genders at some point, notably the Irish cognate súil, f., now meaning “eye”.
Western culture certainly also includes France (Romance language with Roman, Celtic, and Germanic cultural influences), Scandinavia (Mostly Germanic culture with some Celtic and Finnic influences), and Italy (The cradle of Rome, the original “Western” power, with a Romance language and heavy Greek and some Germanic cultural influence). Smaller countries in that region such as the Netherlands are no less Western. Many would say that Spain and Portugal count as “Western” too, but some might say that they are part of a separate “Hispanic” culture that is non-Western, as opposed to e.g. defining “Hispanic” as a subset of “Western”.
It’s a stretch, but maybe it refers to the Irish slaves in medieval Iceland, or the provenance of Gundestrup cauldron. Or maybe counting medieval Norse Scotland and Ireland as Scandinavia.
I’m surprised you jump on Speak to me Maddie! for “snark” when the whole reason I left this thread was due to the snark of other posters.
My OP question was obviously unclarified and confusing. I tried to clarify, and would have been happier to clarify even more (I was actually loooking for examples --what I meant by “cites” – of romantic, Western listerature where the sun and/or moon had been assigned a gender) had I not been hit with what felt like a wall of snark.
No, but their anthropomorphizations (whether in mythos, legends, poetry or “that bitch or me”, said by my sailor’s daughter aunt to the merchant ship captain who was courting her - he chose her) tend to follow word gender.
El puente no puede ser colgado… it’s either el puente es colgante or el puente está colgado (in which case I’d ask where from). Colgado means hanging as in “from a coathanger”, not as in a bridge.
If you felt posts before that of StmM! were inappropriate, you should have reported them. However, aside from kambuckta’s, which probably would have also received a mod note from me if it had been reported earlier, I don’t think most other posts were that bad, although some people were joking around. In any case, your own oversensitive responses in this thread didn’t help matters much. You’ve been here more than five years - you should have a better idea of what to expect in GQ. You’ve got to expect a certain degree of snark and kidding here.
Actually, the word “gender” originally just meant something like “category”, with no particular sexual meaning. It actually went the other way around: Gender came to mean sex because the classification of nouns into linguistic gender tends to correlate roughly to sex.
And back on topic, the Sun seems to be considered masculine in Middle English, as demonstrated in the prologue to the Canterbury Tales:
Trust me, had I known in the first place that that was what I was looking for, this whole unseemly scene could have been avoided. But when I first posted the question, I didn’t even realize that that was what I was asking. It took a handful of interesting responses to make me realize that my question was a) not clear enough, and b) would have been better suited to another forum.
Also, I had been under the impression that General Questions was not as snarky as other, more opinion-based forums on the board. I was expecting a straight answer, or at least, helpful responses that could have guided me in the right direction. But I hit a wall of snark that hurt my tender feelings. It’s too bad, because a truly interesting discussion has sprung up here about the question I *meant *to post in the first place.
You did get helpful responses, actually, as you have admitted above.
No you didn’t. Of the first seven answers, three were helpful, one was a request for clarification, a couple were jokes, and one was snarky. Hardly a “wall of snark.” You are way overreacting.
So you don’t need to keep complaining any more, do you?