Ooh, the excellent, “no I’m not, you are!” argument.
When was the last time I proposed a psychotic, racist, utterly stupid, and poorly thought out and planned segregationist policy based on the Jewish NWO?
castaway What is it you want? As many posters have already stated there is no law stopping from living, mating and teaching whatever you want to do…privately.
I know you don’t believe it, but your views are outside the norm and quite frankly, they’re getting further and further away. I know you think that the world is gonna wake up and somehow see the bondage is freedom…ain’t gonna happen.
You want a twenty miles buffer? Purchase 40 mile/acres and build twenty miles inside. Only want certain people to live next you? Provide private mortages and don’t list in the national directory. Don’t want Black History or Fiddler on the roof taught to your kids, homeschool or open a private school.
You don’t need to revise the constitution to be “free”…only the will of self-detrimination and quite frankly you don’t seem to have the will…only the whine.
Nineteen days and counting.
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That whole bit about changing our Constitution to fit your segregationist scheme and applying a total world government to enforce the segregation of ethnic populations? OK, it is more an overthrow of society than government, but it is nonetheless.**
We’ve amended the constitution many times… we’re all those overthrowing society? nuff said… I proposed “United Nations” type treaties, sure, but not a “total world government.” In fact the concept of local Genetic Freedom is the antithesis of World Government.
If someone wanted to add a Constitutional ammendment to legalize slavery, you bet your white ass I would rebel to oppose it.
so would I
I** dunno, that whole forcing people into segregated living conditions, ghettozation of entire populations, population relocation thing?**
These are your perception distortions, there is no forcing of any kind… The only forcing occurring here is you forcing people to be in direct proximity to all the various ethnic groups thus increasing the probability of ethnic homogenization over hundreds of years.
**Simple. Groups don’t have rights. Individuals have rights. **
Groups are the sum of thousands of individual decisions… and that’s that.
Shoot, lock up in a concentration camp, same difference.
That is an irrational correlation… I expect that from you though.
**BTW, Mr. Genius, the phrase is “could not care less.” To say I could care less means that I actually care. **
You got me…
**Your plan is short-sighted, narrowminded, and generally stupid. It is based on arbitrary racism and has no appreciation for social structures, economics, government, and individual rights. **
The plan needs to be further developed, sure, but your comments here are simple and ignorant.
You assume that segregating the population will lead to world peace and happiness, with no consideration for what causes conflict within society or comprehension of how civil groups interact with each other.
Genetic Freedom needs to be taught as a fundamental human right. We need to heed the things you just mentioned along the way.
You have presented no evidence of even planning for your movement, other than racist ideology and conspiracy theory.
It’s just beginning… give it time. Racist ideology - there was none. You just lied which is typical of you. Conspiracy theory - I would contest that. I have expressed whom I believe runs the world and I state it as a belief not a known. Something i’m sure you do as well. We all have our notions of who most controls the world, it’s economies, it’s media etc… there is no conspiracy there. It’s based on empiracal observation.
So yes, if you tried to replace my government with a segregationist NWO, I would damn well revolt.
I can assure you that whatever the NWO is, it’s not me, Mr. conspiracy.
Man, I’m not even going to bother trying to quote you and edit your posts for you. If you can’t figure out how to make the quoting work, you need to stop posting on message boards.
Simple fact is - groups of ethnic peoples don’t have rights.
No matter how much you insist otherwise, your case is inherently nothing but some racist ramblings from a conspiracy theorist.
Your lack of understanding of people and their motives would be funny, it if weren’t so sad.
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castaway What is it you want? As many posters have already stated there is no law stopping from living, mating and teaching whatever you want to do…privately.**
Privately… that’s a problem. Genetic Freedom will eventually be respected just as science itself is respected - Christians, unfortuantely, may end up as the biggest obstacle to Genetic Freedom in the long run given that their whole notion of reality can be summed up in two words “Jesus Christ.” To which I say, “Jeeesus Christ!”
I know you don’t believe it, but your views are outside the norm and quite frankly, they’re getting further and further away.
I never suggested that I “didn’t believe” these were outside the norm… this norm will change, of course. What you have difficulty with, right now, is you are connecting Genetic Freedom with racism of the past… so instead of getting further and further away, you and those in the “norm” will get close and closer to understanding the new progressive notion of Genetic Freedom.
I know you think that the world is gonna wake up and somehow see the bondage is freedom…ain’t gonna happen.
You’re funny. Nobody is going to realize that bondage is freedom. They are going to realize that Genetic Freedom is not bondage.
You want a twenty miles buffer? Purchase 40 mile/acres and build twenty miles inside. Only want certain people to live next you? Provide private mortages and don’t list in the national directory. Don’t want Black History or Fiddler on the roof taught to your kids, homeschool or open a private school.
Delusional comments from you… Your not addressing me at this point but rather some delusional memory from your past notions of racists…
You don’t need to revise the constitution to be “free”…only the will of self-detrimination and quite frankly you don’t seem to have the will…only the whine.
If you support enforcement of laws which put all the ethnicities in direct proximity to one another, they will eventually homogenize genetically speaking. This makes you an oppressor of human Genetic Freedom. Simple.
Simple fact is - groups of ethnic peoples don’t have rights.
You are an oppressor of Genetic Freedom. Fine…
Ooh, can I get a button or t-shirt that says, “Oppressor of Racist Segregation”? That’d be cool.
Your religion is the “one human genetic mass” religion. It makes you feel good.
Humans are genetic life. Genetic life branches, freely. People who oppress or suppress this freedom are stuck in the past.
If you want to, but it would’nt refer to Genetic Freedom…
You keep telling yourself that a policy based on segregation on racial grounds isn’t racial segregation, and maybe you can sleep better at night.
No, my religion is pagan.
“Racial life” branches by intermixing with each other.
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You keep telling yourself that a policy based on segregation on racial grounds isn’t racial segregation, and maybe you can sleep better at night.**
Others on here would already agree that you are wrong here. First you said “racist segregation,” and now you’re saying “racial segregation.” Ok, fine, I’ll just let that go. The races are far too broad… if you wish to use the term “race” it’s up to you but I use the term them “ethnic groups” to try and avoid confusion - it isn’t working obviously… hehe. Second, as I’ve stated before, mainstream people perceive the word segregation solely as definition #2… that’s that.
No, my religion is pagan.
Well, “the one human genetic mass” is your secondary or tertiary religion.
"Racial life" branches by intermixing with each other.
That’s one way… then there is the other way… Both ways coexist at the same time and currently, laws are pursuing homogenization only - so nobody is genetically free unless they do it “privately…” Hell, “secretly…” What a sick and ignorant world it must be to not realize that Laws should be established to enable Genetic Freedom for Genetic life. If a gun will be pointed a 10,000 people who wish to establish a community to realize their desired culture and genetics, they are not free. The private property argument constantly thrown out here is nonsense. Plain and simple. The law is what it is and it currently opposes Genetic Freedom.
It’s likely a market issue at its root though, which means that you’d need funding to gain any momentum. A LOT of funding…you have some powerful interests to overcome, specifically those of folks who have success and influence in the current genetic climate.
castaway, you claim that I am attempting to “cut off” communication:
You are a conspiracy theorist. I have simply pointed out that some conspiracies that you have claimed have no factual basis.*
I am not misrepresenting your position, I am pointing out the factual and logical errors in it.
I will admit that remarking that continued discussion would do you no favors might have a chilling effect on discussion, but I have not refused to continue the discussion: I simply figure that you and Jack Dean Taylor and Kat Hak Sung are not being helped when people treat your claims as having a basis in reality.
Y’know, you accuse me of misrepresenting your views, then you deliberately ignore my points to respond to things I have not said.
I am not delusional in my description of history. You claim that we have been “branching” all along–a point with which I would agree, although I note that we have also been merging all along–but you ignore the quite relevant point that I made: there are currently no coherent groups that have expressed a desire for this of segregation you want to impose. Name a coherent group, with identifiable boundaries, for which some significant portion of that population has expressed a desire to remain separated from the rest of the gene pool.
Further, your claim that “genetic” rights has some priority over other rights is simply absurd. You are claiming that the happenstance genes with which a person is born should have more legal standing than the decisions that an individual makes by the exercise of their own free will. That is not “genetic freedom,” it is “genetic” slavery.
Again: if you wish to find a few people with whom to in-breed, simply follow the model of the Amish and do it. The rest of this stuff is simply your attempt to impose an odd way of looking at the world on a world that has clearly rejected that notion years ago. If “genetic freedom” was so important, then there would be no interbreeding now (assuming you could even identify the groups that you wanted to separate). The reality is that humans enjoy breeding with humans, regardless of minor differences. They have been doing this for tens of thousands of years–long before “PC” and “multiculturalism” and similar bugaboos were even invented. This has provided ample diversity to this point and any attempt to compel more separation is coercive. If you do not really mean to compel that separation, then you already have the Amish model to follow and you do not need to rant through the world demanding anything more.
Basically, you have thrown out red herrings and straw men to explain why you do not simply follow the Amish practices. Today, you have every right to do exactly what they are doing: separate education, limited access to the media for your children–none of these require that you dispossess anyone to establish your breeding grounds. The fact that you come here and argue that the Amish are a flawed community while pretending that you need to change the laws to protect your odd visions should tell you something regarding those odd visions.
- For an example of a conspiracy:
I have never compelled any person to mate with any other person. Nor have I compelled anyone (or forbidden anyone) to live in a particular place. Since the Amish are able to practice endogamous marriage within a larger society, your claims to need something more are false and your claim that I am “forcing” anyone to do anything smacks of conspiracy.
And further:
And I call bullshit on your claim, repeated in the very denial you uttered, that any group is deliberately trying to “outpopulate” anyone else. Show some evidence for this claim, or realize that this is makes you appear to be a conspiracy theorist.
There is no law prohibiting “genetic” “freedom,” there simply is not. The Amish practice it all the time, despite your unreasoning contempt for them.
I think he means that there’s no law to enforce genetic segregation.
Aryans? What do the ancestors of the peoples of Northern India and Pakistan have to do with anything? If Indians ruled the world, don’t you think they would have decided to be a bit richer and less poverty stricken. Or does the word Aryan mean something else to you then it does to the rest of the world? Please enlighten us all on what you beleive the word to mean.
Hokey-dokey. I just went back and re-read the manifesto posted in the OP along with most of the beginning of the thread. (I had some time to waste.) Basically, flight’s initial reaction seems to be correct: take some entry-level science and social science courses, blend disparate factoids together with a failure to grasp the underlying reality, and toss up some pop-science silliness.
Some highlights (taken variously from the link in the OP and the subsequent responses:
From the OP’s manifesto:
The “therefore” in this sentence has no basis in reality or logic. It could equally be argued that all life on this planet is based on seawater and that freedom based on seawater is a fundamental freedom. All intelligent life on this planet requires oxygen, therefore freedom based on oxygen is a fundamental freedom.
Let us set aside the obvious point that making a big deal that life is based on genetics is actually a tautology. Genetics simply happens to be the word used to identify the chemical reactions that underlie living things. OK, it is redundant, but let’s proceed, anyway, to see whether some later point is worth pursuing despite its shaky foundation.
Suddenly, we have the introduction of intelligence as an attribute. Given that all life is “based on genetics” while freedom is only associated with intelligence, it seems pretty clear to me that we can simply eliminate the genetics aspect (since that occurs in life forms lacking intelligence) and base our “freedom” solely on the intelligence aspect of any lifeform. A gratuitous assertion may be gratuitously denied. Since the assertion that freedom is connected to genetics was asserted with no actual reason provided, I am denying the silly claim that there is some inherent connection between genetics and freedom.
From the OP’s manifesto:
Alternatively, rather than some sort of suppression of the topic by the evil media, it is more probable that the topic appears meaningless, given that there is already less genetic diversity among 6 billion humans than there is among entire species of great apes (none of which have 6 billion members):
Great ape DNA sequences reveal a reduced diversity and an expansion in humans.
From, Post #11:
Actually, we can see by the lack of “genetic diversity” that already exists among 6 billion people, that the “powerful force causing” homogeneity is, in a word, lust. Given that we aready have a species that is more homogeneous than our relatives among the great apes and that actual government or media efforts to get us to “homogenize” are less than one generation old, it is abundantly clear that humans have been rejecting “genetic diversity” without any prompting from the government or media.
From Post #12:
This logical non sequitur is nearly painful to look at. Noting that chimps or dolphins might have a different “culture” than humans hardly leads to a direct conclusion that the “reason for those different cultures are genetics.” Even recognizing that intelligence has a genetic component does not help us leap over the immense chasm in the logic that claims that the “cultures” are different and the genetics are different and so the genetics clearly cause the culture differences. There are a great many things that go into the creation of culture and a claim that culture is based solely on genetics must be established before we attempt to swallow this claim. (For example, if genetics is a prime determinant of culture, then why are the cultures of Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews so different? We can see why they are the same, based on a single religious tradition and the exchange of ideas between the groups on religions mores, but how can they be different if genetics pays such a determinant role in culture? If we wish to emphasize the genetic separation between the Ashkenazi and the Sephardic groups, then we can examine the Dutch and the Flemish Belgians who have remarkably distinct cultures despite being “genetically” separated only a few hundred years ago. Attempting to base culture on genetics has no basis in reality.)
We do not even need to get into the fine points of how to change laws to segregate the (basically nonexistent) genetic groups. We need only declare nego majore and ignore the premise, based as it is on a lack of facts and a paucity of logic.
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It’s likely a market issue at its root though, which means that you’d need funding to gain any momentum. A LOT of funding…you have some powerful interests to overcome, specifically those of folks who have success and influence in the current genetic climate.**
Well of course… the media could “brainwash” people to accept Genetic Freedom in a couple of years if it really wanted to, just as they “brainwash” people to want what they want today…
However, in the case of Genetic Freedom you don’t need to brainwash people but simply tell them the truth.
castaway: However, in the case of Genetic Freedom you don’t need to brainwash people but simply tell them the truth.
If by “telling them the truth” you mean saying the sort of things about it that you’ve been saying on this thread, I don’t think its efficacy is anywhere near as good as you’re hoping. You certainly haven’t succeeded in convincing anyone here.