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As we keep pointing out, there is more actual genetic difference within commonly-recognized ethnic groups than between them. In order to begin fashioning a coherent argument (which you haven’t done so far), you have got to make up your mind whether you’re talking about ethnic groups or genetics.**
I’m talking about ethnic groups and gentics. Ethnic groups who are genetically distinct from other in SOME WAY (put in caps because as you’ll see below, this is what you do not yet comprehend but I’m about to educate you about).
If what you’re advocating is really group separatism based on genetics, you’re going to wind up with groups of people who have been shown by genomic analysis to have closely related DNA, but who have a wide variety of superficial “ethnic” differences within each group. E.g., some members of a “white” group will look “white”, some will look “black” or “Asian”, and so on. But testing their DNA will prove that they’re all quite closely related genetically.
So because of this you are going to decide who can and cannot (primarily cannot) gather together into groups to express their desired directional genetic freedom. You really, really just plain don’t get it which Is why I make the comments like I do below. By the end of this post you will get it… I assure you.
If, on the other hand, you’re advocating separatism based on what society broadly recognizes as ethnic groups, your groups will look more uniform on the surface, but will actually be more genetically mixed. E.g., all members of a certain “white” group may look “white”, but DNA testing will reveal that many of them are more genetically akin to some “black”-looking people in a “black” group than to one another.
And this is relevant to the concept of genetic freedom how? People, human beings, choose what phenotypes they wish to cultivate and create communities based upon. It’s not up to you, it’s up to them. Give it up. Got Freedom? Is your tail starting to coil up between your legs at this point? What you have to understand it this - you are ignorant. It makes me laugh to say that but I’ve proven it on this post. Come into the light… all are welcome…
**If what you’re after is the latter scenario, you’ve got to stop referring to it as based on genetic differentiation, because it isn’t. **
Liar, liar pants on fire. It is to and apparently you don’t comprehend the notion of a single phenotype or grouping of phenotypes and mutatations. That’s what we are talking about here and that’s what the essay is crystal clear on. Is it clear yet?
Similar-looking members of the same “ethnic group” can be, and often are, genetically quite different from one another—more different from one another than they are from people who superficially don’t resemble them at all. You have really got to understand this basic fact before you set yourself up as an instructor for other people.
When have I ever, ever stated otherwise? I’ve never addressed this point in anything I’ve said. It’s not relevant to the concept of Genetic Freedom and the branching human race. It’s actually very, very good that within any group that aggregates to express Genetic Freedom there is so much diversity within their overall genetics - it’s fantastic and you are supporting my postion with every sentence you right… THANK YOU SO MUCH. You have helped the cause of Genetic Freedom and you didn’t even realize it!
**in the end I’m right and your wrong, done.
You have also got to learn that this sort of assertion simply doesn’t count as a viable argument in a debate. You personally may feel comforted by the notion that you’re still right no matter how badly you lost the argument, but such notions carry absolutely no weight in convincing anybody else, which is the ostensible purpose of starting a debate.
so don’t ask me to cite any references
This too is a guaranteed loser when it comes to rational debate. If you can’t support your assertions with reliable factual evidence, we have no reason to believe what you say.
*If you can’t see that, I don’t really care. You will in time (years). *
Another argument-loser. Predicting that somebody else’s views will change in the future is a completely inadequate substitute for actually convincing them that you’re right, which is what you’re supposed to be doing in a debate.**
Oh, bla, bla, bla… I’ve skewered you in this and post #220. You just plain didn’t comprehend what Genetic Freedom was talking about. Perhaps now you do and can come up with some rational response.
**It’s time to pack it in, castaway. You started this thread in a forum which is devoted to rational debate based on factual data, and we patiently gave you a hearing and discussed your claims seriously. However, you totally failed to convince anyone of any of your points by means of logical argument. Instead, you’ve just been reiterating inconsistent, ill-supported, and contradictory assertions, generously seasoned with tinfoil-hat accusations about religious delusions and media brainwashing and the like. You began this debate in the attempt to promote your cause of so-called “Genetic Freedom”, but you have instead completely discredited it.
You chose to start this argument, and you lost. You’ve completely failed in what you were attempting to do. If there is indeed any germ of truth in what you’ve been trying to say, it’s going to take a smarter person to demonstrate it, because it’s obvious that you’re not up to the task. Cut your losses, and drop the subject. (Or don’t, and instead go on discrediting your position even further with your incompetent arguments. I don’t care which.)**
Now there’s a damn good example of complete complacency in the face of utter defeat and ignorance. If you don’t get it, not my problem. Enjoy your ignorance while it lasts.
