I didn’t say Genetic Freedom will adjust to economics. I said your belief in what will happen is no less a matter of faith than religion.
Well, he already admitted that he was preaching a new religion (since he cannot base his segregationist politics on science) a couple of pages back:
He seems to be the first prophet of the “Genetics religion.” Geneticism? Allelism? Mendelianism?
All other religious zealots should be deprogrammed, but the religious zealots from the First Church of Castaway Scientist should be excused from the deprogramming classes (because, of course, they are the (new) True Religion that supersedes the old time religions).
**
[QUOTE=tomndebb]
Well, he already admitted that he was preaching a new religion (since he cannot base his segregationist politics on science) **
Ignorance like yours is truly sickening. Genetic Freedom is based upon science - aggregate phenotypes - but does not require genetic science to be valid. All it requires is the observation that when two of “this kind” of person mate, the baby is like them. The words that exit your mouth are like oozing puss, because that’s what the brain behind it have to offer. You disregard aggregate phenotypes and simply fall back upon your one-human-genetic-mass religion statements that “we’re all already genetically equal” or some variety of that.
You have numbers… you have the mob. You don’t have intellect on your side. You must rely on people being too stupid to see the err of your statements.
Your one-human-genetic-mass religion prevents you from being able to comprehend the words “aggregate phenotypes.”
I made a mistake
**Originally Posted by zwaldd
Because it is dependent on an economic condition with no known precedence and no known mechanism of implementation, its future occurrence is no less a matter of faith than any religion. **
I meant to say: Economics will adjust to Genetic Freedom and Genetic Freedom is not dependant upon some new economic system being preconceived. New economic conditions will not halt the economy. The economy will adjust and be fluid. Your thinking process here is backward - doesn’t surprise me.
Additionally, no special mechanism is required. You’re just spinning peoples brains pointlessly. Stop it.
Hey, castaway, has anyone ever told you how much you sound like Bob Larson?
Preach it, baby!
Sure. All we have to do is go out and isolate all the people with the same (undefined) “kind” so that we can put them on reservations and suggest that they are harming some ill-defined “group” (that currently does not exist) by marrying the “wrong” people.
As for your rather petulant insults: I am not the one suggesting that we divide the world up into little patches of (as yet undefined) genetic homogeneity so that we can drive inbreeding to a new level while trampling the rights of individuals, (to say nothing of your oh-so-lovely suggestion to get rid of all the “unwanted” children of the world). “Hate”? I am not the one who is trying to reshape humanity by imposing some sort of arbitrary separateness that has managed to elude us while we covered the world with 6 billion specimens. If we have survived for 400,000 years without imposing arbitrary homelands on each other, I see no reason to impose such arbitrary separation on us, now. And I have seen no legitimate argument that such a plan has some “moral” component other than your odd ramblings that simply gratuitously assert the “truth” of this religious dogma.
All other religious zealots should be deprogrammed, but the religious zealots from the First Church of Castaway Scientist should be excused from the deprogramming classes (because, of course, they are the (new) True Religion that supersedes the old time religions).
The genetics religion is based on reality and changes accordingly. On the other hand, the one-human-genetic-mass religion is based on, well, it’s based on a book that a Jewish Male wrote that says “the differences between the races are greater than the differences within.”
I suppose that would be the core belief of your religion, repeated five times a day facing north.
Well that’s interesting and while I’m at it… Christianity, a fantasy based religion, is based on a book that Jewish men wrote… Communism, an tyranny based religion, is based on a book that a Jewish man wrote…
I suppose one of the most fascinating questions of our time is “why do people simply listen and follow what Jews write?” I’m endlessly fascinated by that. It’s like the world is populated by a bunch of blank brains that require Jewish programming to function properly.
This religion you follow justifies oppressing genetic freedom for all time. To hell with any and all unique aggregate phenotypes. Total oppression.
let me tell you something, you are messing with a primal concept of freedom. This is not much different from slaves wanting to be freed from their masters. You can fool the mob for a while, but as soon as they catch wind that they are nothing but “slaves,” the gig will be up. You really need to introspect and decide if you want to oppress this freedom. Sure you can change on a dime when the winds change - and I’m sure you will.
(to say nothing of your oh-so-lovely suggestion to get rid of all the “unwanted” children of the world).
You are discredited… I think this is the second time (or maybe it was the other guy) that you suggested this strange notion of getting rid of unwanted children… I never said that but you have said it twice. It’s like you are insane - that doesn’t surprise me given the one-human-genetic-mass religion that you follow.
** “Hate”? I am not the one who is trying to reshape humanity by imposing some sort of arbitrary separateness that has managed to elude us while we covered the world with 6 billion specimens. If we have survived for 400,000 years without imposing arbitrary homelands on each other, I see no reason to impose such arbitrary separation on us, now.**
The entirety of the human race has existed in a rather segregated fashion up until 1965. The type of segregation that existed had flaws. The laws written then were imperfect and will be changed. You will not oppress Genetic Freedom for the human race, the human race will not allow you to.
And I have seen no legitimate argument that such a plan has some “moral” component other than your odd ramblings that simply gratuitously assert the “truth” of this religious dogma.
Genetic Freedom is a fundamental human right. Genetics will branch and people like you will become moot - but you’ll actually just change and embrace it when the time comes. This isn’t your choice - it’s your destiny.
The human race will branch and there is nothing, at all, you can do to stop that. Laws currently oppress the branching human race so the laws will be changed once the mob realizes they’ve been duped by the “intellectual liars” (like yourself).
Do you have a citation for this particular lie? The actual proponent of the fact that there are more differences within “races” than between “races” is not Jewish, but I’m rather sure that you are ignorant of both the individual and the science that led to that declaration. (It would also be instructive to discover what “Jewish Male” you think you are alluding to with your claim. (Or are you simply demonstarting more ignorance by presuming that Jewish and Christian Scriptures were both written by (an apparently solitary) “Jewish male”?
And, while you find it interesting to ask “why do people simply listen and follow what Jews write?” I find it more than fascinating to find you popping up with antisemitic nonsense this far into this discussion.
Item:
Hell, I was wondering why it took this long…same old, same old.
I didn’t say that Genetic Freedom is dependent on a new economic system or that new economic conditions will halt the economy. I said that because it is dependent on an economic condition with no known precedent and no known mechanism of implementation, its future occurrence is no less a matter of faith than religion.
enough already, I know what you said and my corrected comment stands as a logical response to it.
**
**
The “antisemitism” shield that you utilize to crush debate is dead. Stop relying on it and rely on factual reality. You, or someone else, cited a book written by an obviously Jewish name and you used that to suggest that was the source from which that statement arose. So, I looked back through history and thought about other things Jews wrote and gave the composition thusly. Anti-semitism will no longer be a shield for the truth. Get over it. Jews have written precisely what they have written and people follow precisely the amount that they do.
Talking about that isn’t antisemitism and if you think so, then you are not rational - which is expected on this particular topic. Jews are not some protected minority above criticism for all time. They exist, and thusly their actions in the world are fair game for discussion. Just like the Catholics are fair game or any other christians, or Muslims. For now I’ll avoid discussing the Hindu or Buddhist world.
That Jews dominate media is no mystery. They freely admit it themselves on occassion. Why do they dominate media? I say it is simply because they have genetic gifts for the written word, intellect etc…
I support this by pointing out that members of “the tribe” wrote the book that has brainwashed all Christians. Jesus was a Jew. Communism… Islam, while I don’t know if a converted Jew decided to start the islamic religion, it comes from precisely the same kind of genetics from the exact same part of the world - so this simply supports the idea that there are genetics from the middle east that have some gift to write things that “brainwash” others.
If you want anti-semitic, you go to the arabic countries or you go to the David Duke or National Alliance websites - there you will find anti-semitic. If you want honest observation of Jewish activity in this world, go to the Kevin Macdonald site or have a conversation with me about it. I’m not interested in lying to “poke hatred” at Jews or anybody else. I’m not interested at poking hatred at anybody. I’m interested in observing reality and NOBODY is above those observations. Anybody who thinks they are is a derranged control freak.
Holmes, Zwald, Tomndebb
Allow me to make it crystal clear for you:
People will cultivate whatever aggregate phenotypes and mutations that they wish, and your ignorance and hatred of their desire to do that will not stop them. They will do this openly and freely, and laws will be written thusly.
The human race will FREELY branch, despite your attept at mob “shut down.”
Zwalds attempt at economic excuses is just plain silly. Economies adjust to the environment, always. It requires no special economic mechanism of any kind, yet he has repeated that three times - he is not rational. The mob is simply trying to shut down the truth because they are scared of it and they are currently following the popular position that is promoted in the media.
The religious statement of “Genetic Difference between is less than Genetic difference within” is not based upon sequencing all 30,000 genes, therefore it is still a premature statement to those who understand infrared spectrospcopy, mass spectrometry, eletrophoresis, nuclear magnetic resonance and all the rest - those things cannot tell chirality and a variety of other things. Unless we map all 30,000 genes with all their base pairs, we cannot make the above statement with absolute scientific certainty.
However, even if we do discover the above statement to be true, I have already explained how that is actually positive for Genetic Freedom, so it’s a moot point. So, you (not zwald), continue to rely upon this “magic statment” as if it supports your position, yet I already point out that if your magic statement turns out to be corroborated by better genetic science some day, it’s good for my position on genetic freedom… so you are not rational for continuing to use it for your own position because doing so is a positive for genetic freedom.
You all are conducting a hate campaign against Genetic Freedom and that will not stand - I’ll tell you the truth here, you are lucky that the “white extremists” are too stupid to understand the potential of this genetic freedom concept (I’ve tried - believe me when I say they are too stupid). If they “got it” and they restructured their organizations accordingly, nothing could stop them from having legal genetic freedom - assuming that is all they pursued.
**Do you have a citation for this particular lie? **
As I said I took if from the book cited somewhere above.
The actual proponent of the fact that there are more differences within “races” than between “races” is not Jewish.
Well first, so you’re suggesting just a single proponent… thus it is a scientific opinion, not a scientific fact. What you call a fact is not based on 30,000 genes so it is not yet fact. Give it more time. If it is fact, it’s good for Genetic Freedom.
but I’m rather sure that you are ignorant of both the individual and the science that led to that declaration.
I’m just responding to what you said here, if a Jew was just the author and some other guy was the scientist, well fine and dandy. The scientist is giving his scientific opinion - not factual conclusion - and a Jew is still doing the writing of the words - precisely as I said.
(It would also be instructive to discover what “Jewish Male” you think you are alluding to with your claim. (Or are you simply demonstarting more ignorance by presuming that Jewish and Christian Scriptures were both written by (an apparently solitary) “Jewish male”?
Anybody can scroll up and see that I wrote “Jewish men” (that’s plural) that wrote the bible… So this whole statement is based on a perception distortion.
And, while you find it interesting to ask "why do people simply listen and follow what Jews write?"
Yes, this is an interesting area of study given the huge percentage of Jews in the media and authors of books etc… The most fundamental question is “Is it genetics or environment that have given these Jews this obviously special ability and role within society.”
** I find it more than fascinating to find you popping up with antisemitic nonsense this far into this discussion.**
I have put your antisemtism shield to rest in my other response. If you wish to still use it, you are simply relying on the ignorance of the mob to support your position. Anybody who relies on the ignorance of the mob to support their position is, without doubt, a sick individual. Why would you want to cultivate ignorance within a mob of people and rally them to some action? That’s what causes wars and conflicts of all kinds - please don’t contribute to that. I don’t.
And one more thing…
HOOOOAHHHHH !
Genetic Freedom is trumped by the same economic condition that trumps communism: there are not enough resources to go around to support a system where the community can effectively dictate to the individual who he can or cannot sell to. What would be required to change that is an unlimited supply of resources, thus eliminating the need for wealth. There is no mechanism in Genetic Freedom to provide that.
Sure to the untrained eye what you said “sounds good and rational.” But it is an absolutist economic position. I already explained in detail how property would still be freely sold and I’m not going to repeat it. You simply ignore the balance that I spoke of.
It’s clear to me that your agenda is to find a specific logical avenue to easily defeat any attempts people will take for genetic freedom. If I was just a little more versed in Economic vocabulary I would tear your little attempt at economic absolutism to shreds - somebody else will do that for me in the future. Not a problem.
Genetic Freedom is the antithesis of Communism. Genetic Freedom is the antithesis of tyranny.
Communism had no genetic provisions of any kind. Communism was all about multiculturalism, seeing everybody as “one” etc… Communism is not much different than the liberal line walked today in the United States. The one critical difference is that there are not a bunch of commissars controlling an army to kill all those who won’t follow the ideology.
I didn’t ignore it. I said that since it has no precedent and no mechanism of implementation the occurrence of the balance you spoke of is no more a matter of faith than religion. I’m not saying it won’t happen, just that there’s no more reason to believe it will happen then it won’t happen.
What the hell, I may as well simply out think you without reading any economic books of any kind and here I go:
You assert: There are not enough resources to go around to support a system where the community can effectively dictate to the individual who he can or cannot sell to.
For the sake of discussion, let’s say 50% of planet Earth is property of this kind, and let’s say there are 100,000 Genetic Freedom bubbles in existence. Let’s further say that those 100,000 bubbles can be subdivided into “same ethnic group” classifications, and we have 250 of those. So there are 1000 bubbles of the “same ethnic group” around the globe.
I want to sell some land - You say “there are not enough resources” - all I’m doing is selling some land and you say “there are not enough resources.”
All I’m doing is selling some land to somebody and you say “There are not enough resources.” This is not rational speak.
So I want to sell some land. I sell to any member from 1000 bubbles worldwide. In fact, I see no reason that a “proxy” cannot buy the land. Another words, ANYBODY could buy the land, but not anybody could live there. I don’t know if I’d be opposed to that or not, would require further discussion.
Boy, your just not creative enough to see that I guess. However, let’s assume a group has a rule that no proxies can buy the land thus taking advantage of people by charging high rent etc…
So I can sell to any member of 1000 bubbles OR any person that I can convince the community to accept into it. Communities will be accepting other genetics now and again, it will happen.
There is no problem here. There are plenty of consumers to buy the product, land. It would be less fluid, that I’ll grand you, but the whole proxy method I mentioned above would solve that right away.
As you can see, in just a few paragraphs I defeated your little argument on two fronts. You are creating a fictional economic restraint to genetic freedom.