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Which the group can do today, following the Amish model, without later coercing anyone to give up their home for marrying the “wrong sort” of person the way that your brave new world would work.**
We’ve been through this. Laws need to be neutral towards genetic freedom… today they oppress it. Since we’ve exchanged this thought several times with no progress. We are done with it. You are on the side of oppression. I am on the side of freedom. You don’t believe that, sure, but in due time.
**(You have also clearly given no serious thought to your homelands idea. I have just run a mental checklist of all my friends and co-workers from the last 40 years and I know exactly three couples who grew up as close as fifteen miles apart. People are not going to stick with your little reservations unless you put them out in the middle of the wilderness and put up electronic barriers to keep out TV and the internet. **
hundreds of “homelands” of the same ethnicity would exist around the world, here and there. You are the one who has not given the thought. Again, we have discussed enough and you will not budge from your one-human-genetic-mass religion. So we are pretty much done. We are rehashing old arguments for which we have already provided our positions.
You are also too late finding any existing group (in the U.S., aside from recent immigrants) that has not already churned up the gene pool, with Italians marrying Poles and Germans marrying Irish and Swedes marrying Chinese. Where are you going to find these “groups”?
Again, this has been addressed you simply miss it so there is no point in us trying to discuss further. The answer is simply what it always was: The groups self define themselves, it’s not up to you or me. All these labels you are searching out to try and find specific groups are irrelevant. The groups self-define and decide who moves in and who doesn’t. Total genetic freedom.
Are you going to make everyone in the world get a complete gene-typing so that you can match up “compatible” people?
I’m not going to “make” anybody do anything. Are you? You keep reverting to a primitive mindset and I can’t change that right now. You are what you are. I’m pretty sure we will make no further progress so I’m done if you are.
And if you say that it is perfectly all right for a Slovenian-Ibo couple to start off in their own new group, who will you compel to give up the 100 square miles of land to let them populate it in peace?
Again, you provide examples which have no basis in reality, rational thought, or anything I’ve said or the essay says. You pull stuff out of your ass. You really do discredit yourself with your inability to progress in a discussion. You discard things that were said before and just proceed off in oddball directions.
I also find your attitudes rather cruel in regards to adoptions. (Can’t have any of those bad genes polluting the pool.) Anyone who adopted from outside would have to force their child to leave the group that you claim would be so nurturing as soon as the child was old enough to mate.
That’s an interesting case scenario, each group will have to make their own rules regarding whether a family can raise a kid outside the ethnicity etc… I would personally say no, they could not. First of all, kids should not be born if the mother has no intention of raising it. So at the core of this problem is a dumbed down society that has irresponsible sex etc…
My thoughts are that communities should focus their efforts on helping people within the community thus creating a strong community - then they can, of course, help others as desired outside the community.
All this nonsense for the accident that people can be shown to already be related by genetic analysis.
The only nonsense here is from your brain. I have very little respect for your intellect. You’ve shown not a glimmer of open mindedness regarding the branching human race. You are completely caught in the one-human-genetic-mass religion and “Jesus Christ” will remain your lord and you will strive to spread your Jesus to the world.
**“Aggregate phenotypes”? Such as? Blonde hair (which is found across a whole spectrum of not currently related humans)? Dark skin (that appears in clearly unrelated groups across several continents)? It was the excessive attention paid to phenotypes that led to the initial claims that humanity had already divided into discreet racial groups that bore no relation to each other–which now look clumsy and silly since we know how interrelated we actually are. You have already admitted that the races are not a good method to divide people, yet you rely on the errors that led to the creation of races to bolster your claim that we ought to divide ourselves up into little pockets of inbreeding. (And what do you do with your “aggregate phenotypes” when someone provides images of people who are distinctly unrelated but who share a close physical resemblance? Their “aggregate phenotypes” may be examples of evolutionary convergence, but they are hardly sterling examples that your little genetics schtick is anything more than coincidence.)
Just as they are among the Amish.**
For intellegent people - your arguments are dead. They do not deserve to be addressed any more. we’re repeating the same things over and over again and you simply cannot accept that the human race may freely branch - it’s against your religion. I won’t be the one to educate you about genetic freedom. It will occur in the future. Some day, you will not have a choice but to accept it. You can try to oppress it all you want but the world community will look at you and say, NO. The human race will branch, freely, and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Freedom will prevail.