Many will hear the simple statement “There is more Genetic diversity within a particular race than between different races.” First, Genetic Science is still in it’s infancy and whether this statement is proven true in years to come we’ll just have to wait and see. Second, the statement is very, very broad. The “races” as they have been classically identified are very, very broad Genetic groups and the level of ethnic group would be much better for doing Genetic difference analysis. Third, if this statement becomes true, even to the level of ethnic group, it is EXCELLENT for Genetic Freedom, because it means that even groups that pursue genetic freedom for little reasons are still VERY DIVERSE genetically within their group. Finally, when two ethnic groups “genetically homogenize” people who follow the one-human-genetic-mass religion pull out this statement and actually believe that it proves that those two ethnic groups didn’t homogenize at all because they were “already more similar to each other genetically than they were between members of their own group.” For people who follow that particular religion, you cannot change their minds quickly or easily. It’s their religion. It’s the same as Jesus. What these people do not comprehend is that Genetic Freedom is all about what differences do exist and the differences that are promoted are self-decided by the ethnic group. It’s not up to you or me, it’s up to them, and showing them hatred by telling them their pursuit of Genetic Freedom is “backward” or “inbred” is “backward” and hateful. So two groups who have specific distinct aggregate phenotypes will become “genetically homogenized” for those specific aggregate phenotypes that were unique to each of them. To give an obvious cosmetic example (but reality is more than just cosmetics), if you have a group with light hair, eyes and skin and they completely genetically mix with an ethnic group with dark hair, eyes and skin, those cosmetic features that used to be unique to the original ethnic groups are now blended into the new blended ethnic group and the kids will be some blend of the two rather than having all the aggregate phenotypes by default. That’s what we’re talking about. This is very tricky for people to comprehend, especially in today’s media environment. But it is 100% accurate and correct, so educate them. Further down is a more specific discussion on aggregate phenotypic extinction of this kind.
People get caught up in the notion of “Don’t hate them just because they are different.” Ok, fine. Nobody will disagree with that. Often the kind of differences being talked about are Genetic differences; typically skin color and some other cosmetic genetic differences. Now allow me to expand that statement a bit. “Don’t hate them just because they want to be genetically different and pursue that genetic difference with a group of individuals who also want to pursue it.” Is it starting to sink in yet? “That difference” we are talking about is a collection of aggregate phenotypes that makes whatever group of humans genetically unique - they have the right to cultivate and pursue that difference freely. To anybody who would say “Why would you want to pursue such trivial differences?” Well, simply, whether something is trivial is not up to you or me, it’s up to them, and that is the spirit of Genetic Freedom! The alternative is genetic tyranny, worldwide, and the ultimatum handed down is this: “You will all homogenize, because you are all already genetically the same so it doesn’t matter” - they say perched atop the financial pyramid of life. That is such an uncreative, simplistic, narrow minded view of human Genetic life. What kind of brainwashing does it take to convince a person that a world like that is desirable? Fascinating isn’t it. It’s called the “Media Matrix.” These people are raw ignorant haters of Genetic Freedom so be careful, especially in mob situations; the mob can become dangerous, quickly. The intellectual leaders of the mob will continue to make intellectual arguments that purposely ignore the fundamental truths of Genetic Freedom, and they count on the ignorance of the mob simply accepting what they say as fact.
It’s entirely about where your kids are raised. Kids will have sex with whomever they are around, period. You can “brainwash” them to a point with this or that ideology or religion to try and prevent them from having sex for a while, but it will happen and whomever they happen to be in proximity to that makes them comfortably and lovingly horny, will do. This is why this essay supports discrimination in reasonably sized districts for an ethnic group - it’s the only way our world can have genuine genetic freedom so get over it. We just have to talk about the legal details until we mutual agree upon them. If I own a four acre lot (private property) and I live in a district that is Genetically free for a specific grouping of aggregate phenotypes/mutations, I cannot sell to just anybody. Take for example a person who becomes unhappy with their community for some reason. That person then purposely sells the land to another ethnic group because he is purposely trying to hurt his former group - we cannot let single individuals hurt so many peoples freedom per an individual decision - thus Genetic Freedom needs to be legally protected in that way. One individual decision cannot arbitrarily dictate the genetic destiny of an entire group. That is madness, hurtfulness, hatefullness.
I completely agree with that. Somewhere I made the statement that Economics cannot override Genetic Freedom.
Honestly, that is one essence of the discussion and the solution is to allow district based discrimination based on unique aggregate phenotypes.
**I’d like to say that this thread has devolved, but frankly, the caliber of argument employed by the OP has stayed at the same pathetic level. **
Defending the right of the human race to freely branch, genetically.
Defending the right of aggregate phenotypes to be cultivated as a group sees fit, not as you or I see fit = freedom, pursuit of happiness etc…
Recognizing that the proximity rule and other economic realities (and media realities) currently mean that Genetic Freedom is being oppressed by an ignorant population.
Those are the “arguments” you deem pathetic. If you wish to “raise the calibur” by using a bunch of better worded arguments than I do, fine. I don’t see why you would want to oppress Genetic Freedom so please do start writing in favor of it.
So since it does, by your definition Genetic Freedom cannot be.
Wealth can still have it’s value in a world that is educated about Genetic Freedom.
The human race will freely branch. The alternative is the highly polarized top and bottom of the ONE pyramid.
I realize that our current world power scenario is based on Media and financially based control over others. It seems like freedom to the many workers and layers of buffer management because they are educated to believe it is.
Whether the world will rise up and break free of this particular line of control we’ll just have to wait and see.
Hey, I’ll admit that the elites that have complete monopoly over finance and media in this world may see the goal of a mostly homogenized human race of workers come to fruition some day. I certainly am just a tiny little bug in comparison to all those pushing against Genetic Freedom. Why does the mob push against Genetic Freedom- fear and ignorance. Why do the elites work against it - because it divides their ONE pyramid into many, many smaller ones - and that just makes things more complicated.
Since you have failed to actually look up the study (which was, indeed, an examination of differences among populations–although not one that came to the anti-scientific religious belief that you are promoting), this is simply one more example of your argument from ignorance. (Talk about one’s predetermined assumptions! 
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Ahhh, but it can. We need to make tiny little modifications to laws so that individual decisions based on economic factors do not override thousands of individual decisions that were made based on genetics - local district based genetic freedom.
Once this fundamental human right is in place, economics will simply be what they’ll be. No big deal. Simple.
Interesting. So if UPS or Fedex or Timewarner has a certain percentage of ‘diversity’ are these diverse employees allowed to come into castawayland to deliver packages or make repairs? Are there to be laws that specify that my company must only send the same genetically appearing people to castawayland? or do they receive special passes that allows them to cross boarders without breaking the law?
If the best doctor, or engineer isn’t castawayland material, then I guess little Timmy dies right? I mean, why would the individual’s life over-ride the right of the group to keep their space “pure”? Does the group get to vote, whether a parent can have a non-white doctor come into castawayland and perform a procedure or will that parent have to transport his child out of the area and hope the child doesn’t die in transport?
What happens when the White person that does deliver to castawayland gets ill or quits, does no one in castawayland get their deliveries that day, or week or whenever? I quess the hospital will understand when they don’t receive their meds…or the bodega (you do realize, no large supermarket chain will waste resources in castawayland) and you’ll be forced to take whatever business do go into castawayland and gouge you blind…
I know, I know we have to change economics or the community will help each other…I hope you enjoy living in cardboard boxes and eating in soup kitchens…but hey at least you’ll be eating out of garbadge cans with the losers of your choosing.
No thanks. Arthur already raised Calibur and it did not do him any good.
As I’ve mentioned many times - Genetic Freedom is above any of these studies. The studies cannot hurt or help Genetic Freedom. Science is what it is, no big deal I accept it, done.
Genetic life may branch freely. We are talking about a fundamental human right here - this is why I don’t spin my mind endlessly on these nuances and rather stay focused on the fundamental right of genetic freedom for all humans beings upon this planet…
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Interesting. So if UPS or Fedex or Timewarner has a certain percentage of ‘diversity’ are these diverse employees allowed to come into castawayland to deliver packages or make repairs? Are there to be laws that specify that my company must only send the same genetically appearing people to castawayland? or do they receive special passes that allows them to cross boarders without breaking the law? **
Revealing your ignorance of the essay - it’s a bit long sure, but please your ignorance is so blatant - quoted from the essay:
The "district based communities" (let's say 10 square miles) discussed in this essay are not significantly isolated from other ethnic groups. They simply provide ethnic groups with a home to enjoy both their unique genetics and their cultures. These communities are not set up by the government. We shall define it as a completely voluntary thing that the ethnic groups, themselves, decide upon by discussing it with the government and then, eventually, agreeing to the area of land (district). This paper does not suggest that "relocating" people by giving them two months to move out is appropriate, but rather suggests that a district would become genetically free via natural attrition in a very mutually respectful way (this process may take a decade or more). All decisions regarding who can move into and live on the land are determined by the ethnic group. As compared to the laws today, the difference would be governmental neutrality towards local group freedoms based on genetics, rather than governmentally enforced genetic homogenization. The ethnic group can, at any time, terminate their group and return the land to a state of "open range" so to speak. These "open range" areas will be common everywhere on Earth in a continuously fluctuating cycle. It is expected that district based communities would be part of a much larger collective of communities, of a similar ethnic group, over the entire world and this larger aggregate would provide the capital for the ethnicity specific media, education etc.
In these district based communities, individual freedoms would be completely unaffected and remain precisely as they are today in the United States. While it should be obvious, let's explicitly state that individuals could, of course, freely have friends (intimate or not) of whatever ethnic group they chose and they could hang out together in the neighborhood exactly like they do today, nothing would be different. The right of an individual to associate with whomever they wish and "have friends over," in the neighborhood, outweighs the communities desire (if they have the desire) to not allow "certain human genetics" into the neighborhood for a visit. If an individual decides to marry outside their ethnic group, the new couple may, or may not be able to live in the original community depending on what the community, itself, allows. That is genetic freedom. The community knows that if they decide to allow this multi-ethnic couple to live in their neighborhood, that they have made the decision to allow the genetics to blend in with theirs due to the proximity rule of reproduction - Sometimes communities may want to accept other genetics into their group for whatever reason. Genetic Freedom, as discussed in this paper, achieves an excellent balance between individual freedom and group freedom. As individuals learn about their own genetics, genes, and alleles, they can make intelligent reproductive decisions of whatever kind they choose, be it within their general ethnic group or outside of it. Intermingling between the ethnic groups would still be entirely dependant on individual decisions the same as today. With the freedoms discussed in this paragraph implemented in any country, human genetic population diversity (ethnic diversity) and cultural diversity could all freely enhance and continue.Over and over again you scream that the WILL of the group over rides the individual’s rights. If the GROUP decides that they don’t want ANY diversity within their area…can UPS have a member of a different GROUP deliver a package?
Try a yes or no answer.
Laws do not override wealth and value. Your scenario would simply create a black market.
Absolutely (yes for clarity). Business relations of whatever kind are completely whatever they are… This is a friendly, mutually respectful world I’m writing about, not one that hates others.
Your ignorance of the following concept is still shown brightly by the first sentence you typed above:
The right of an individual to associate with whomever they wish and “have friends over,” in the neighborhood, outweighs the communities desire (if they have the desire) to not allow “certain human genetics” into the neighborhood for a visit. If an individual decides to marry outside their ethnic group, the new couple may, or may not be able to live in the original community depending on what the community, itself, allows. That is genetic freedom.
The “freedom” that the individual does not have is making a decision that voids out the thousands of individual decisions that the “group” has made to express their genetic freedom in a local district. You somehow phrase this as “the will of the group overrides the individuals rights.”
By all means, what individual right is overrided? Answer please.
Well, interesting… it’s about balance… balancing out laws, wealth and value, and letting the human race genetically branch freely (genetic freedom). I’ll try to right more specifically about that eventually.
There is a Genetic Freedom balance that could be achieved. We are flexible peoples man… we can adapt and shift and change and do whatever needed to create better worlds.
I’m just trying to understand. Bear with me.
I can’t sell my home to a member of a different group because the group wants to maintain proximity and I don’t have the right to * make a decision that voids out the thousands of individual decisions that the “group” has made to express their genetic freedom in a local district.*
Yet I have the right to invite a business, that will have a number of members of different groups visiting every home and every business, every day. Even though I know that I am * making a decision that voids out the thousands of individual decisions that the “group” has made to express their genetic freedom in a local district.
Explain to me the difference.
The right to live where one chooses.
The right to marry anyone one chooses without being forced to move if one intends to procreate the “wrong kind” of people (based on some imaginary criterion).
Ok, here’s where you are a bit incorrect:
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People have the right to live whereever they choose, AS LONG AS, they are not stepping on the right of a group that is expressing their fundamental human right to genetic freedom. It’s about BALANCING the two freedoms. So a thousand individual decisions (the group) have overriden that one persons individual decision to infringe upon their genetic freedom. You can’t beat this argument. Today, economic realities prevent “the poor” from living where “the rich” live, period - so people, today, cannot just live whereever they choose to live because, frankly, for all time they will NEVER have millions of dollars. So, in the existing world order, people cannot live whereever they choose - there are balanced, reasonable limits. Different countries - we cannot just go live whereever we choose… Military bases… Protected forests… boy, what a loose argument you just attempted to pose. Today, and for all time, we cannot live whereever we want and choose to - there are limits. I’m suggesting that to the already huge list of limits, we can add the limit of Genetic Freedom… Line 158 on that document - people will barely see it.
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They have the right to marry anybody they choose. They realize that where they live will be determined by who they marry - correct. People would mutually respect one another’s right of genetic freedom. There would be no “forcing” involved accept in rare disgruntled cases of people who absolutely want to oppress other’s rights of genetic freedom.
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You say “based on some imaginary criterion.” Talk about discrediting yourself. Aggregate phenotypes are not imaginary. If you don’t get that, you cannot have this conversation accurately.
One-human-genetic-mass religion. I just proved your game is based on a fantasy belief rather than reality, but I’ll give you a chance to take that one back.
All one needs to understand the existence of aggregate phenotypes is the fact that we can visually tell if somebody is “oriental” or “African” or “Celtic” etc… For those who genuinely study human morphologies, there are hundreds of ethnicities that are visually distinct enough to see a picture and pick correctly. Now, obviously these are just visual genetics and not “hidden” genetics.
You actually refer to these unique Aggregate phenotypes that give these various ethnic groups their appearances as “imaginary criterion.” Whoah boy… hope you see the err of that.
Think about that. You refer to something that everybody on the planet realizes is true, as “imaginary criterion.” This is the calibur of your mind. You are clearly discrediting yourself with statements like that. I’m sure you’ll correct that mistake to prevent the rest of what you have said here from being discredited completely.
What’s meant by that is quite often the “group” can change a person’s category even though that person’s outward apperance goes against the “group’s” cultural designation of that person.
In other words, a person can look like a “phenotypical” white person, but if it turns out a great grandparent was black, that person who is still “phenotypically” white, is now considered “black”…just like that. If that isn’t an imaginary criterion, I don’t know what is.
It’s like painting a Banana red and calling it an Apple…hardly logical thinking.
We can’t do whatever is needed; we are limited to our resources. The shift required for practical Genetic Freedom would involve eliminating the very qualities that give commodities their value…basic elements of existence like limit and proximity. It would be like trying to eliminate ‘width’.