Nope. It has to stay here. Lynn gets really upset when people post joke threads in The BBQ Pit.
This thread is coming to a close and that’s fine…
“Everything is proceeding as planned…” said in a slow dark voice.
I was thinking more of MPSIMS.
Such an economic reality fart would require that all resources somehow become unlimited and universally available to the point where wealth had no value. I wouldn’t hold my breath.
This bit scares me more than the rest of the nonsense you’ve been spouting. I’m always very wary of anyone that puts forth a ‘cure-all’ for any of society’s ills -though you’ve a long way to go before anyone outside of the White Nationalist movement will accept your case that our lack of your ‘genetic freedom’ is an ill. It’s just sad that people are unable to warp their minds around complex problems, so go looking for one thing that promises to have all of the answers.
Anyway, it has become quite clear to me that you are a ‘true believer’ and no matter what reasoned arguments you get, you will attribute disagreement to a misunderstanding of what you really mean. Your ‘aw, shucks tactics,’ eschewing most of the conventions of educated debate and research in favor of your feelings, and what you know in your heart, might make you popular among the Unwashed, but it doesn’t play here. Though I’m likely underestimating people- I have a hard time believing that anyone would fall for your ‘freedom,’ Caveman Lawyer act or no.
Look, if you want to be pure, don’t have sex with any black people. If you simply can not help yourself if you can’t keep them away from you in a 5-mile radius, then you should probably rethink your politics.
Thanks for the apology.
Something we can agree on. I suspect that we disagree as to the relative influence of these and other factors though.
No, it’s not easy. As you yourself admit in the very next sentence:
So, you admit that you’d have to study hard for “a couple of months” to answer an “easy” question. Yet, somehow, you have enough knowledge to accurately gauge this influence over the course of thousands of years of human development and to accurately predict the results of your social experiment. Do you honestly not see the contradiction here?
Before we go any further with this particular strawman, I’d like see some evidence that an anthropologist or sociologist has said this.
I agree that there’s probably some literal insanity going on here…
Maybe you should just leave it at that. Yeah, yeah… I know. Mediamatrixfabiangradualistperceptivedistortion. Enjoy.
Ah, yes, those poor ignorant masses who can’t keep track of the finer details of a religion you thought up while eating your cornflakes last month.
Well, they’ll either adapt or die off, and the problem will be solved.
Anyway, it has become quite clear to me that you are a ‘true believer’ and no matter what reasoned arguments you get, you will attribute disagreement to a misunderstanding of what you really mean.
If you don’t support another human beings right to genetic freedom, and you support laws that prevent genetic freedom, then you are oppressing genetic freedom. That’s your position. You do this because you follow the one-human-genetic-mass religion. Nobody on this thread has sufficiently addressed the essay. Just bits and pieces to attempt to make their weak and often spun out of control points.
**and what you know in your heart, might make you popular among the Unwashed, but it doesn’t play here. **
Unfortunately, your brain isn’t yet up to my level. It will get there, eventually. You are stuck in the past.
Look, if you want to be pure, don’t have sex with any black people.
completely brainwashed and stuck in the past… proving it yourself by your own statements. You do not comprehend genetic freedom. If you comprehend it, you simply oppose it because you are a believer in the one-human-genetic-mass religion, and you will push that religion at gunpoint upon all humans of planet earth. Thus you are pure evil (assuming what I said is correct).
**Castaway: Culture is a function of genetics, environment, and the history of the people.
Zakalwe: Something we can agree on. I suspect that we disagree as to the relative influence of these and other factors though.**
I’ve already explained that I’ve not, nor do I have plans to study all the nuance details on this… but we would not disagree because I believe what is, not what isn’t. I’m not interested in fantasy while conducting my brief and genetically very real human life - conducting a human life by really realizing what you are is the greatest “fantasy game” of all time…
**Castaway: These analysis are easy, for those who have time to do them and I do not. I abstain because I only have so much brain power to go around and I dedicate it to my job, my research into Genetic based nano-materials, growing fruit trees so I can enjoy natures finest, and a few other things.
No, it’s not easy. As you yourself admit in the very next sentence:
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For me to do this analysis I’d have to dedicate all my time to research sociology and anthopology for a couple of months to get to the level o f masters or doctor in that field, then I could accurately speak the speak.
So, you admit that you’d have to study hard for “a couple of months” to answer an “easy” question. Yet, somehow, you have enough knowledge to accurately gauge this influence over the course of thousands of years of human development and to accurately predict the results of your social experiment. Do you honestly not see the contradiction here? **
It’s easy… it just takes time. I don’t have the time and if you want to define something for which I don’t have time for as hard, fine. It would be easy for me, if I had time. I’m sure for other people it would be very hard due to lack of brainpower. Listen carefully because I say many, many things that are easily missed
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I cannot accurately guage the influence of genetics upon culture over thousands of years. I never said I could. I said if I studied it, it would be easy to write about it and that knowledge base would develop and improve over time. I CAN be 100% aware that Genetics along with the other factors of reality in this world effect all things including culture - that’s all I’ve said.
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I definately believe that if the mass media and educational outlets taught people about genetic freedom, it would give people that choice and everybody would understand it and they would respect each other accordingly. People do have to understand it and that’s a big condition. Lot’s of education needed. That’s what the essay is about. The big conclusion at the end says precisely "Do you believe that human peace, happiness, and a suppression/oppression free world can be achieved, along with ethnic diversity, using a more advanced educational philosophy, or do you believe that human peace can only be maintained by enforcing a one-human-genetic-mass policy, at gunpoint?”
So, as I hope you can see, I have no specific contraditions, but if and when I do, I simply learn, adjust and move on. These are just communication imperfections - something that is very, very common.
**Castaway: I do have enough intelligence to know when an anthropologist or sociologist is full of something with their comments that Genetics are irrelevant. That particular issue is so blatantly part of an “agenda” is not worthy of debate.
Zawalke: Before we go any further with this particular strawman, I’d like see some evidence that an anthropologist or sociologist has said this. **
Naaa, I’m not your daddy. The current educational and media environment are what they are. Certainly there are the more intellectual out there who dismiss such nonsense (of not paying attention to genetics). www.human-nature.com
No, I thought it up after an organic chemistry class in which I learned that all human life is created from genetics and only 4 molecules in proper sequences make up all of that life.
Bit different that your corn flake theory.
Adaptation: True, those who do not adapt to genetic freedom will die off eventually - but I’m kidding of course. Unfortunately, I don’t think you are… Those who did not adapt to Christianity, died off… those who did not adapt to communism, died off - during those times. Human population purges.
No, there will be no dying off this time. Not unless you rally the mob to kill, once again. You probably will…
Many will hear the simple statement “There is more Genetic diversity within a particular race than between different races.” First, Genetic Science is still in it’s infancy and whether this statement is proven true in years to come we’ll just have to wait and see. Second, the statement is very, very broad. The “races” as they have been classically identified are very, very broad Genetic groups and the level of ethnic group would be much better for doing Genetic difference analysis. Third, if this statement becomes true, even to the level of ethnic group, it is EXCELLENT for Genetic Freedom, because it means that even groups that pursue genetic freedom for little reasons are still VERY DIVERSE genetically within their group. Finally, when two ethnic groups “genetically homogenize” people who follow the one-human-genetic-mass religion pull out this statement and actually believe that it proves that those two ethnic groups didn’t homogenize at all because they were “already more similar to each other genetically than they were between members of their own group.” For people who follow that particular religion, you cannot change their minds quickly or easily. It’s their religion. It’s the same as Jesus. What these people do not comprehend is that Genetic Freedom is all about what differences do exist and the differences that are promoted are self-decided by the ethnic group. It’s not up to you or me, it’s up to them, and showing them hatred by telling them their pursuit of Genetic Freedom is “backward” or “inbred” is “backward” and hateful. So two groups who have specific distinct aggregate phenotypes will become “genetically homogenized” for those specific aggregate phenotypes that were unique to each of them. To give an obvious cosmetic example (but reality is more than just cosmetics), if you have a group with light hair, eyes and skin and they completely genetically mix with an ethnic group with dark hair, eyes and skin, those cosmetic features that used to be unique to the original ethnic groups are now blended into the new blended ethnic group and the kids will be some blend of the two rather than having all the aggregate phenotypes by default. That’s what we’re talking about. This is very tricky for people to comprehend, especially in today’s media environment. But it is 100% accurate and correct, so educate them. Further down is a more specific discussion on aggregate phenotypic extinction of this kind.
People get caught up in the notion of “Don’t hate them just because they are different.” Ok, fine. Nobody will disagree with that. Often the kind of differences being talked about are Genetic differences; typically skin color and some other cosmetic genetic differences. Now allow me to expand that statement a bit. “Don’t hate them just because they want to be genetically different and pursue that genetic difference with a group of individuals who also want to pursue it.” Is it starting to sink in yet? “That difference” we are talking about is a collection of aggregate phenotypes that makes whatever group of humans genetically unique - they have the right to cultivate and pursue that difference freely. To anybody who would say “Why would you want to pursue such trivial differences?” Well, simply, whether something is trivial is not up to you or me, it’s up to them, and that is the spirit of Genetic Freedom! The alternative is genetic tyranny, worldwide, and the ultimatum handed down is this: “You will all homogenize, because you are all already genetically the same so it doesn’t matter” - they say perched atop the financial pyramid of life. That is such an uncreative, simplistic, narrow minded view of human Genetic life. What kind of brainwashing does it take to convince a person that a world like that is desirable? Fascinating isn’t it. It’s called the “Media Matrix.” These people are raw ignorant haters of Genetic Freedom so be careful, especially in mob situations; the mob can become dangerous, quickly. The intellectual leaders of the mob will continue to make intellectual arguments that purposely ignore the fundamental truths of Genetic Freedom, and they count on the ignorance of the mob simply accepting what they say as fact.
It’s called economics. Until wealth is unvalued, Genetic Freedom will have to wait.
BTW, for those in the audience who may think that this silliness has some basis, it should be noted that the OP consistently demonstrates a rather tenuous grasp of actual science. For example, in regard to a cited reference to the basic homogeneity of human genetics, he replied:
And he has recently repeated that mantra in a slightly different format:
In the first occasion, he is referring to the human genome sequencing project that attempted to identify all the approximately 30,000 genes in human DNA, and determine the sequences of the 3 billion chemical base pairs that make up human DNA. His “only. . . five humans” comments is a reference to the point that of the several groups performing the sequencing work, one group that was funded by the U.S. Department of Energy (!?) used tissue samples from five specific individuals. (Other teams used other persons to provide data so his “only five” has no basis in reality and demonstrates that he really does not know enough about the topic to comment accurately.) However, the OP appears to be ignorant of the differences between identifying the genes and comparing the genetic material. Far from his claims that that “only five” people have been studied is the reality that hundreds of persons have been studied in multiple studies–often for the express purpose of identifying differences among groups. (For example, the Genetic Structure of Human Populations by Noah A. Rosenberg, et alii, reported in the 20 DECEMBER 2002 issue of Science, studied 1056 individuals.) Genetics most certainly is in its infancy, but that is a different statement than that we have not studied enough specimens to know how alike we all are. (And someone who is ignorant of just how much we do know and the breadth of the studies we have performed is not really in a good position to lecture people on being confused by some movie-plot-generated conspiracy theory when he clearly has few facts on which to base his own (admitted) religious belief.)
It’s entirely about where your kids are raised. Kids will have sex with whomever they are around, period. You can “brainwash” them to a point with this or that ideology or religion to try and prevent them from having sex for a while, but it will happen and whomever they happen to be in proximity to that makes them comfortably and lovingly horny, will do. This is why this essay supports discrimination in reasonably sized districts for an ethnic group - it’s the only way our world can have genuine genetic freedom so get over it. We just have to talk about the legal details until we mutual agree upon them. If I own a four acre lot (private property) and I live in a district that is Genetically free for a specific grouping of aggregate phenotypes/mutations, I cannot sell to just anybody. Take for example a person who becomes unhappy with their community for some reason. That person then purposely sells the land to another ethnic group because he is purposely trying to hurt his former group - we cannot let single individuals hurt so many peoples freedom per an individual decision - thus Genetic Freedom needs to be legally protected in that way. One individual decision cannot arbitrarily dictate the genetic destiny of an entire group. That is madness, hurtfulness, hatefullness.
What’s the obsession with purity? Couldn’t I just be sort of evil? Or a little bit evil? Jeez.
castaway- no one is denying your freedom to mate with whomever you wish. However, enshrining this in law would result in fewer freedoms than would result. Numerous times, it has been pointed out to you how you can achieve your goals without legal action, and yet, you, like many other fundamentalist, feel that you need state sanction as a crutch for your belief.
I’d like to say that this thread has devolved, but frankly, the caliber of argument employed by the OP has stayed at the same pathetic level. It just strikes me how Orwellian this is, and there are times when I almost have to believe the OP is pulling our leg with his talk of ‘freedom’ that is anything but.
“War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.”
-Big Brother, 1984
**In the first occasion, he is referring to the human genome sequencing project that attempted to identify all the approximately 30,000 genes in human DNA. , and determine the sequences of the 3 billion chemical base pairs that make up human DNA. His “only. . . five humans” comments is a reference to the point that of the several groups performing the sequencing work, one group that was funded by the U.S. Department of Energy (!?) used tissue samples from five specific individuals. **
Which is the only way to be 100% sure that a statement like “the differences among are greater than the differences between.”
(Other teams used other persons to provide data so his “only five” has no basis in reality and demonstrates that he really does not know enough about the topic to comment accurately.)
If more than five have been fully sequenced that’s fine. I attempt to do internet searches to find that out and it’s just plain not readily available to any searches I perform. To my knowledge, only five have been fully sequenced.
However, the OP appears to be ignorant of the differences between identifying the genes and comparing the genetic material.
Genetics are not that complicated. The only way to be 100% sure that the genetics are “the same” is to sequence the entire thing, period. More general tests can be performed - like to identify diabetes - but the science IS the sequencing of every single base pair. So you are ignorant if you think otherwise. I don’t like sloppy science.
Far from his claims that that “only five” people have been studied is the reality that hundreds of persons have been studied in multiple studies–often for the express purpose of identifying differences among groups.
Have they been 100% sequenced? I’ll bet the answer is no. But I’m certainly sure that more than 5 may have been sequenced fully, I just havn’t seen that info anywhere.
(For example, the Genetic Structure of Human Populations by Noah A. Rosenberg, et alii, reported in the 20 DECEMBER 2002 issue of Science, studied 1056 individuals.)
NOT fully seuqenced - no doubt. Rudimentary studies making broad general statements - NOT SCIENCE. This kind of study is agenda driven just as many, many studies are towards the profit motive or other motives.
Genetics most certainly is in its infancy, but that is a different statement than that we have not studied enough specimens to know how alike we all are.
We know that we are “alike” without doing any genetic studies. Science is sequencing all 3 billion base pairs… period. If you wish to accept sloppy science as the end-all, your choice.
(And someone who is ignorant of just how much we do know and the breadth of the studies we have performed is not really in a good position to lecture people on being confused by some movie-plot-generated conspiracy theory when he clearly has few facts on which to base his own (admitted) religious belief.)
The real funny part here is, I already explained how the statement “Genetic difference between the races is less than the genetic difference within” HELPS genetic freedom. So the argument is completely moot from the Genetic Freedom perspective - what this thread is about. Too bad, so sad. Your one-human-genetic-mass religion has been thwarted again for anybody paying attention.
In theory. In reality, Genetic Freedom is thwarted by the almighty dollar.
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What’s the obsession with purity? Couldn’t I just be sort of evil? Or a little bit evil? Jeez.**
You can be many flavors of evil… “pure evil” just sounds good.
**castaway- no one is denying your freedom to mate with whomever you wish. **
You all continue to tell me that, yet I’ve never suggested that I’m being denied that freedom… it’s like you all are a bunch of idiots. You keep saying something that isn’t relevant to the concept of Genetic Freedom as I’ve discussed it.
However, enshrining this in law would result in fewer freedoms than would result. Numerous times, it has been pointed out to you how you can achieve your goals without legal action, and yet, you, like many other fundamentalist, feel that you need state sanction as a crutch for your belief.
Please see the post right after this one, it’s really not that difficult to understand the need for legal neutrality.