Genetic Freedom

[Ca3799]

@Ca3799

I believe there is a medium sized manipulation happening here.

At the JREF forum was a message (link here)JREF - Home)

that linked to this site in the internet ifidels board (link here)
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=80942

which linked here, a site called “Original Dissent Traditional Conservatism for and from the Common Man” (link here) http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=12487

It seems racisits are targeting ‘intelligent’ message boards in order to use ‘logic’ to sway more recruits to racism.

Apparantly, SDMB is targeted, too. (link here) http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=12487

Sorry for all the linkage.

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[Ca3799]

Apparantly, SDMB is targeted, too. (link here) http://forums.originaldissent.com/s...ead.php?t=12487

[flight]

Man, I am battin 1000 this week, check out post #44.

@flight

It seems like the “reason brigade” of racist seperatists has invaded this board to attempt to win over new converts.

[castaway]

@Karmagun

Hi castaway. It seems that this media monopoly thing is quite important to your theory. I feel so brainwashed by 90% of the media. I need your help. Could I please have some data on the above quote?

Oh, and say hi to SG when you see ‘her’.
Hint: look in a mirror.

Genetic Freedom isn’t a theory. It is stepping back, closing your eyes, blanking your mind into a creative meditative state, and realizing that we are genetic life… what then?

We are individuals, we are groups of individuals. We are genetics. Genetics branch. How do we do that in an intelligent, peaceful way?

Why would you expect the monopoly media to provide data on it’s existence?

The media monopoly, which exists, is completely irrelevent to genetic freedom. Obviously media is making strides forward from the near complete monopoly we had just a decade or two ago, but we have a long way to go.

The proximity rule, on the other hand, is very relevant to the concept of genetic freedom as discussed.

[castaway]

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@tomndebb

Everyone is doing exactly that, now, without the extra expense of maintaining all your little vaguely defined privacy cells.

Now you have made the claim that having people mix, socially, tends to result in more interbreeding. There is probably some truth to that

Of course their is

However, it is clearly true that having groups isolated from each other causes them to engage in more xenophobia and antagonism.

Such groups should not be allowed to have Genetic Freedom for groups.

So, for the purpose of supporting some imagined “genetic freedom” (which we already possess), you are proposing extra levels of government and bureaucracy that will clearly encourage balkanization and “genetic” conflict.

Human genetic life will be genetically free, in groups, regardless of the current ignorance on that topic. I suppose the concept of “peace” is imagined as well by your mindset. There will be no extra levels of government. Any who become balkanized must have their genetic freedom suppressed in the way we do that today via laws and media influence.

If you want this imagined “genetic freeedom,” simply imitate the Amish who have already achieved your goal without setting up any discriminatory or conflict-engendering ghettoes.

There will be no ghettoes, unless the people their run themselves into the ground. The Amish are a Christian cult. Genetic Freedom needs to be a right of every single human bieng upon the planet, both individual and group genetic freedom.

[flight]

Actually, the link to the site where the White Nationalists link to us is:

http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=12018&page=2&pp=15

Here they come folks.

[castaway]

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@Thaumaturge

Regardless of the veracity of claims that there are significant differences between the races at the current time, ultimately, it doesn’t matter.

Even when we can modify our genetic forms at will, people will have the fundamental right to form communities of their particular type of genetics such that they can enjoy the group effort - it’s up to them, it’s up to you, total freedom for both individuals and groups of individuals because groups are composed of a bunch of individuals who choose to be there towards their particular group effort. In this case, their group effort thinks about genetics and their genetics are part of the group effort.

It won’t happen for a long time, but eventually, people will have true genetic freedom. If I want to have green skin that photosynthesizes, and eyes that see new colors with metallic irises, I or my decendants will be able to.

We could have been there already if we weren’t so busy spinning our minds over judaism, Christianity, islam, drugs etc…

When that happens, people will be divided along the lines of their ideology, not the accidental grouping of genes acquired at birth that define race.

This is correct. When the Final Genetic solution is achieved, the gene lottery becomes irrelevent. We don’t know when this will be achieved and as I pointed out above, people who wish to endeavor a particular genetics will still have a fundamental right to “live together” and have a community and culture that they are happy with.

The media has nothing to do with this, it is a reflection of us, not a controller of us.

This is a lie. The media pushes in a particular direction… then society sways with it. Let’s say society does something 40% then media portrays it 50%… on the face of it people will look at media and think that media is simply reflecting society. Yet, that 50% eventually pushes society to 45%… then media pushes to 55%… then the population becomes 50% etc… this is called fabian gradualism. It amazes me that people don’t believe the media can program human populations into particular beliefs etc… I mean a single book, written 2000 years ago by Jewish men has brainwashed people ever since and through today - the Bible… another book written by some ancient Semitic men, Islam, has done the exact same thing.

What people see and read and hear forms their thoughts - creates their reality, sways them to one side or the other.

As the world gets smaller, and science learns more and more that filters into popular culture, people’s attitudes will naturally change. Media that caters to it’s audience gets watched and makes more money. Media that people don’t like and connect with bombs.

fabian gradualism…

The media doesn’t create crap that everyone hates and somehow trick us into liking it.

fabian gradualism…

I’m white, but I’d rather have darker skin that didn’t burn, and I’d change a host of other things about myself.

In more southern climates, sure, but not in the northern ones. What about deep space travel when it comes? The coloring of white people is certainly pretty, especially the “perfect skin tone” of the blond/blue/light tanned variety. They are the most colorful people on the planet, by far. Having extra protection from the UV radiation can be useful for outdoor activities, but with that you sacrifice all the pretty colors - so it’s about genetic freedom for individuals and groups. Stop giving people a hard time if they wish to have genetic freedom. You can do what you want. You should respect, completely, an individual and a group of individuals if they wish to live in a genetic freedom community.

Race is simply a non-issue for me. The lines of race will blur more and more over time.

AS we all begin to have fun with Genetic Freedom, they will become more crisp and clear and openly discussed and enjoyed.

I’m one half polish, and part german dutch and english. My kids will be part polish, dutch, english, german, chinese, and possibly japanese ( gf’s mother was adopted, think she might be part japanese). What race will they be? Who cares, all that matters is what they make of themselves.

They will be exactly what you just defined them as, historically speaking. It’s fun to care and think about genetics. Not thinking about it is insane, since we are genetics.

[castaway]

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@flight

This is exactly the point I am trying to make about the media. They don’t have an agenda against genetic freedom and they do not have one for it, they are simply reflecting society. They aren’t going to start supporting it for ten years because it isn’t popular. When it becomes popular they will mention it.

See post #147 regarding fabian gradualism.

You yourself say that this is a new idea of yours.

Yes it is (but really I just uncovered the rock - the concept was always there), I’m not complaining that people don’t yet fully “get it.” I’m suggesting that the reason the audience is so “hard” is due to media influence. It’s pretty obvious. The media promotes the idea that “world peace” is just a matter of all of us becoming “mixed race.” It does this subtly, and sometimes quite directly. Pay attention as you watch movies or read articles, you’ll see it - though some movies are actually healthy to genetic freedom.

If I come up with a new idea today, I am not going to get pissed at the media tomorrow for not publicizing it.

I’m not pissed at the media.

If you gain enough support from people who know what they are talking about then you will get the media attention you want.

The media has created so many memes to overcome, it’s a challenge. People are really not that open minded. Instead of thinking and discussing something with an open mind (not referring to you, you are a rare exception), they jump to a near immediate preconception and they are done thinking about it - that is brainwashing. People are not thinking for themselves, they are thinking what they’ve been programmed to think by media, education and then their peer groups. Many people do not genuinely look at the facts of a debate and rationally discourse them until mutual understanding is achieved. You and I could easily achieve mutual understanding and at the end we could have a relatively short list, perhaps two or three items, on which we would express our subtle disagreements.

The point is you cannot get elected or expect people to support you if your views are completely different from theirs.

Obviously…

You seem to think this means they are trying to keep you down

No, I’ve never thought that. I think they are not open minded. I think they live in a steel box that is locked shut - but it has everything they need to be happy and survive.

in fact they just don’t like what you have to say, and that is their right.

Again, what people like or don’t like is a direct function of media and education - most people do not decide what they will think. A small percentage of people, in this country and world are “directors” of what will be taught in schools, what will be shown on the media, this programs people. Most people do not simply get a truly unbiased education. If they did, Genetic Freedom would be no big deal to discuss in school board meetings.

I happen not to believe in segregation (that is what it is, even if it isn’t a government policy)

If you wish to alter the definition of segretation, you could skew it over to genetic freedom. But really, we should use words more responsibly. This is Genetic Freedom, not classical segregation.

so I would never vote for or support you in public debate. If everybody feels my way and nobody feels your way, do not expect anyone to pay attention.

There are thousands who pay attention, and that number is growing each and every day. This is because Genetic Freedom is a new and progressive concept in freedom. It is a civil right. It is a fundamental human right. For us not to have this freedome means, specifically, that somebody or other group of people have to be suppressing it. In other words, you would have to admit that you would point a gun at us and suppress our right to genetic freedom. Perhaps you would not. I am asking… would you?

This amounts to gut instinct. If, say, society was progressing towards a more open, accepting, integrated culture and you did not see things that way, then when the media changes along with the culture, simply reflecting what was happening, you would see it as pushing people away from your views.

fabian gradualism… A small group of people push… most people listen and the children become programmed into the new ideology - then society just “becomes” something new, just as planned. It’s silliness not to realize the power of the people who own media outlets. They want to profit, sure, but they also want to push and change society because it helps their profit - that’s what you miss.

This is what I see happening. I see media following the wave of change in attitudes towards race and I see you being left behind.

The media lords count on everybody being just like you!

To you it does not look like you are being left behind, but rather that everyone else is being forced into unnatural beliefs.

I’ve been way ahead of everybody my entire life… they have to catch up and they always have in the past, this is no different. It will just take time. There is not one person, not one, who does not eventually understand Genetic Freedom and respect it… or they simply ignore it and “run away.”

The most fundamental question is: Even if you disagree with it, shouldn’t you allow others to do it if they wish? This really does put you on the spot. It puts you into a position where you have to admit that you would point a gun at people who attempted to have local genetic freedom community - because the first time a person is rejected from moving into their community, the gun of law would be upon them and you would support them… or would you?

There are two premises here. One is that culture is changing as it always has and the media is following along.

Mass media has never existed to the extent it does today, no correleations to cultural change in the past can be compared to cultural change of the last, perhaps, 70 to 100 years. Media has driven that change, completely, now the internet - a media of sorts, is also driving that change. The internet is a more free place, sure, but traditional mass media has always been controlled by a small, select, few.

The other is that there is a great conspiracy to control humanity and media is simply a tool of that great conspiracy.

Conspiracy involves doing something illegal… to my knowledge fabian gradualism is not illegal, thus there is no conspiracy… it’s simply what they do because they can - because their is nobody that says, “hey, you will stop now.”

Even you can see which of these is more probable to an outside observer.

To more intelligent people, fabian gradualism is the obvious reality… to less intelligent people, media is just sort of there etc…

Thus, as you are bringing in what to most people is a nut job theory, the burden of proof is on you.

The proof is on every piece of media ever recorded… there are no studies because all such studies are deemed “nut job theories.” Neat how that works isn’t it? However, here is an article written by somebody who used to be in the inside of magazine media:

http://www.geneticsreligion.com/geneticfreedom/archives/female-magazines.htm

You say you cannot show any proof, so I would lay of even mentioning this idea until you can as it just weakens any other arguments you may have.

I just showed a little spec of proof, and that’s just the tip of the huge iceberg honey (or dude).

Also, you say we could discuss an individual movie. This cannot work as by your theory it is a gradual process that slowy changes attitudes. No single movie could possibly show any sort of trend. I can show you very conservative and very liberal movies and neither support the idea that the media in general is pushing us in that direction.

A single movie could not show a trend, correct. But it would be a start.

Thankfully you say it does not matter for this whole genetic freedom thing so I wil llet you ignore it if you want rather than pushing you any more on something you have no support for.

There is so much support for what the media is doing it’s laughable that you cannot see it.

The point was that the reason for existence of these communities is to lessen intermingling of different races, or whatever you want to call them.

negative, that’s not the point at all… that’s not what drives the need for genetic freedom. Genetic Freedom is driven by the fundamental fact that we are genetic life, we are intelligent genetic life, we are genetics, thus we all, all of us have a fundamental right to exist as both individuals and groups of individuals and have genetics as a basis of that. This is a fundamental philosophy of life.

So, if you let people in to visit your community (not out to visit others) you are negating the reason for their existence.

What you just said didn’t make sense and isn’t Genetic Freedom. There is total freedom with genetic freedom… the one and only one thing that is done is people can be rejected after they “apply” to live in such and such community. That’s it. now the REAL discussion here, is whether we should allow people to discriminate on the basis of philosophy or religion in these communities. Genetics is so fundamental that we must be able to discriminate in that way, but philosophies are much, much more variable so perhaps we should not be able to discriminate in that regards - I don’t know. Perhaps we should.

If your youth are exposed to people from other cultures in their late teens when they would probably be most susceptible (owing to youthful rebellion) many will probably fall for the exotic and interesting strangers.

While it is a natural function of the youth to “outperform” and “discover new pathways” as compared to their elders, you’d find that in Genetic Freedom communities, the kids would have much, much more respect for their elders and rebellion would be nothing like it is today. For one, the media influence would be carefully evaluated and the profit motive would not drive it, but educating people properly would. If, under all these advanced conditions of raising a kid, they want to mate with another ethnic group, so be it. Also, just as you refer to “these other people” as exotic, white people are “exotic” to them.

Again, in my travels I have seen this happen and am very grateful for it.

but you are not grateful when members of the same ethnic group love each other? Strange.

Of course, if every community prevents any but their own from entering it would have the same result as letting no one leave.

You obviously didn’t read the essay, I know it’s long… They prevent people from living in their community… trade, friendships and whatever else “allows” them to enter. Also, people can certainly go for walks and go shopping in whatever community they want.

You would end up with the free mixing zones you describe being the only possible travel destinations. Do you see this as so?

You should realize the err of your thoughts by now… It’s all in the essay.

Also, what makes you think people would not mix just as much if they went away to college as if they weren’t segregated early on.

They weren’t segregated… they were expressing their fundamental right to genetic freedom. That’s not up to me to know or think… whatever happens happens. I just understand the fundamental proximity rules and the right people have to gather together into communities to give their kids a great start. It amazes me you would oppose that. You’ll oppose it less and less the more you talk with me.

As I have said before, you have given every other race the benefit of being exotic.

I’m exotic to asian people, they are “exotic” to me. I’m not sure what you just said here or why.

Unfortunately I don’t know of any study done on southern whites who went to college in the north during the times of rampant segregation, so I cannot make any solid statements, but there is plenty of enecdotal evidence to support that your idea would not work.

Genetic Freedom is not really “my idea.” It’s a fundamental right for all intelligent genetic life and nothing you say can change that. Even you have a fundamental right to genetic freedom - both individual and in groups. let’s try it, let’s make it legal, then we can see if it will “work.” If you understood the concept, you would understand how nonsensical it is to suggest it “will work” or “not work.” That has nothing to do with the fundamental freedom for BOTH individuals and groups of individuals.

As it is, you have stated the the media rule and the entire genetic basis for your argument are unnecessary and irrelevant to the outcome of allowing communities to segregate themselves, so I suggest that we eliminate those lines of discussion so we can at the core issue. Is it right or even practical to have these segregated communities.

Again, you have changed the meaning of the word segregation… so your question isn’t accurate. Practical? It’s a fundamental right for intelligent genetic life, practicality is irrelevant. We’ll just do it and “practical” will become whatever it becomes. Is it “right.” Now there’s a specific question… boy.

[Zagadka]

OK, Mr. I’m More Advanced Than Humanity, let us, for the moment, assume that all your segregation ideas are peachy keen.

1. How do you educate people to follow your idea without the government?

2. How do you enforce your segregation without the government?

3. What happens to people who don’t believe your religion?

4. How, again, does segregation lead to world peace, aside from walling off people so they can only kill so many others?

5. Who chooses who gets what land?

6. What makes 50 white guys over here and 50 black guys over there any less likely to decide to kill each other than homogenous mixtures of the two?

7. Who, again, is controlling the media conspiracy? I mean, aside from “the Jewish NWO”

8. What happens when 2 segregated groups vote to join together?

9. What happens when 500 segregated groups vote to join together?

10. What happens to the individual right to own land?

11. What happens to the individual right to not be discriminated against?

12. What form does your NWO global government take?

13. How are the social structures of million+ communities kept, including the economic infrastructure?

14. What happens when groups segregate within themselves?

15. How does all of the above equal world peace and prosperity again?

Your hypothesis that racial purity can bring about peace is no more valid than a hypothesis that racial homogeny can.

[castaway]

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@Zagadka

OK, Mr. I’m More Advanced Than Humanity, let us, for the moment, assume that all your segregation ideas are peachy keen.

1. How do you educate people to follow your idea without the government?

Obviously, Genetic Freedom would be taught along with everything else that is currently taught in schools. It’s not segreation by the way, unless you change the true meaning of that word - the flavor is wrong on the word segregation.

2. How do you enforce your segregation without the government?

If anybody decides to become violent and demanding that they can live in such and such a community after such and such community rejected their application, the government has the authority to tell whomever, “stop disturbing the peace” etc…

3. What happens to people who don’t believe your religion?

Same thing that happens today, they live by some other religion. The question you need to answer is: If 20 million people wish to have Genetic Freedom communities, why would you want to stop them? Why would you approve of the government pointing guns at them to stop them - assuming that these people are merely endeavoring genetic freedom and have no malicious “racist” types of intentions.

4. How, again, does segregation lead to world peace, aside from walling off people so they can only kill so many others?

Genetic Freedom can help world peace. Segregation cannot (by definition).

5. Who chooses who gets what land?

It’s done locally. Discussions of this kind will be continuous - throughout all eternity. No big deal.

6. What makes 50 white guys over here and 50 black guys over there any less likely to decide to kill each other than homogenous mixtures of the two?

Nothing. Only education prevents such ignorance.

7. Who, again, is controlling the media conspiracy? I mean, aside from “the Jewish NWO”

Rich people in general - so they can stay rich. Genetically they range from Semitic (Jewish) to white and many blends in between. Christians have a lot of power, but, as we all know, they are following a book that was written by Jewish men 2000 years ago - so that’s just all screwed up.

8. What happens when 2 segregated groups vote to join together?

That’s what genetic freedom is all about. Groups join, they spawn off, they rejoin, etc… Total freedom for both individuals and groups of people.

9. What happens when 500 segregated groups vote to join together?

Same answer as above

10. What happens to the individual right to own land?

I’d imagine that is a good thing that we should continue to support. Don’t you agree?

11. What happens to the individual right to not be discriminated against?

In the limited way discussed in Genetic freedom, we do not have that right, for if we all have that right 100% of the time, the human race is not free to genetically branch (in a peaceful and happy way).

12. What form does your NWO global government take?

Frankly, it already exists. Financial and media dictatorships are already in place - it’s a done deal. My opinion of this obviously will adjust as I continue to observe reality, but relatively speaking the elite have dictated to the workers for the past 6000 years on this planet.

13. How are the social structures of million+ communities kept, including the economic infrastructure?

First, just as the European union has adopted the same currency, so could most Genetic Freedom groups of the world. Also, Similar ethnic groups will almost certainly be part of a larger aggregate over the entire planet, and they will coordinate leadership roles accordingly. In other words, a particular group of 10,000 people may exist in New York… they are linked to 500 other groups located throughout the planet. Finally, I doubt there would be much more than a few thousand of these group aggregates and that would only be the case after a thousand years or more of “A Genetic Freedom planet.”

14. What happens when groups segregate within themselves?

It’s called spawning off a new group… as written in the essay. Spawning off is a very healthy and free phenomenon. It’s commonly called secession (without any of the negative connotation).

15. How does all of the above equal world peace and prosperity again?

I think I did a pretty good job of telling you how it would just be a thing that we all enjoy as reality.

Your hypothesis that racial purity can bring about peace is no more valid than a hypothesis that racial homogeny can.

Glad to see you state the latter. But you are wrong with regards to “racial purity” that too is a concept that is not in line with Genetic Freedom at all.

These were really easy questions to answer.

[Zagadka]

@castaway

Obviously, Genetic Freedom would be taught along with everything else that is currently taught in schools. It’s not segreation by the way, unless you change the true meaning of that word - the flavor is wrong on the word segregation.

Um, how is that without the government getting involved?

If anybody decides to become violent and demanding that they can live in such and such a community after such and such community rejected their application, the government has the authority to tell whomever, “stop disturbing the peace” etc…

Um, how is that without the government getting involved?

Same thing that happens today, they live by some other religion. The question you need to answer is: If 20 million people wish to have Genetic Freedom communities, why would you want to stop them? Why would you approve of the government pointing guns at them to stop them - assuming that these people are merely endeavoring genetic freedom and have no malicious “racist” types of intentions.

Segregation is racist by definition. See our other threads for our definition of “race.”

I refuse to call it “GF” because it is neither genetic nor freedom. It is racist and it is tyrrany of the majority.

Genetic Freedom can help world peace. Segregation cannot (by definition).

You didn’t answer this one.

It’s done locally. Discussions of this kind will be continuous - throughout all eternity. No big deal.

What if the northies want the southies’ land?

You don’t have any comprehension of why wars are fought, do you? You really think that they are 100% ethnically motivated?

Rich people in general - so they can stay rich. Genetically they range from Semitic (Jewish) to white and many blends in between. Christians have a lot of power, but, as we all know, they are following a book that was written by Jewish men 2000 years ago - so that’s just all screwed up.

Name 10.

I’d imagine that is a good thing that we should continue to support. Don’t you agree?

By your definition, the land is never owned by the individual, but the group. Should they decide they don’t want him there, he loses.

In the limited way discussed in Genetic freedom, we do not have that right, for if we all have that right 100% of the time, the human race is not free to genetically branch (in a peaceful and happy way).

You still haven’t defined how your Final Solution makes anything more peaceful, instead of inciting more hatred and racism against segregated groups.

Frankly, it already exists. Financial and media dictatorships are already in place - it’s a done deal. My opinion of this obviously will adjust as I continue to observe reality, but relatively speaking the elite have dictated to the workers for the past 6000 years on this planet.

lol, so you’re a Creationist, too.

Cite?

First, just as the European union has adopted the same currency, so could most Genetic Freedom groups of the world.

The European Union has nothing to do with segregating populations into centers of 100,000. You clearly don’t understand the concept of economic infrastructure.

It’s called spawning off a new group… as written in the essay. Spawning off is a very healthy and free phenomenon. It’s commonly called secession (without any of the negative connotation).

What do you do when you run out of space?

You really don’t think people would compete for primary spots, do you?

I think I did a pretty good job of telling you how it would just be a thing that we all enjoy as reality.

Glad to see you state the latter.

Good, glad to see you state the former.

The difference is that not one of us stated that homogeny would lead to world peace. You, on the other hand, have a deep help belief in segregation leading to world peace.

These were really easy questions to answer.

Probably because you didn’t answer any of them.

[castaway]

There is definately some confusion with regards to something and let me clear it up now - it is pretty clear in the essay but is not explicitly stated - so I’ll eventually adjust that.

If Person from Ethnic Group A walks through a District populated by Ethnic group B, and people from Ethnic group B taunt or hurt that person in some way, they have committed a hate crime and will be prosecuted just as harshly as such crimes are prosecuted today.

If a person from group A walks through the lands of Ethnic group B and “causes trouble” or is disturbing the peace in some way, the same laws in place today would apply and the person from group A would be escorted out or to jail, whichever is appropriate.

The concpet of public roads and public side walks would all be the same as today, by my particular thinking.

But I think you’d find loitering laws being enforced more vigorously, in some occassions - but not always. and that’s the balance!

[castaway]

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@Zagadka

Um, how is that without the government getting involved?
Um, how is that without the government getting involved?

You are completely missing it…

The government does not get involved with initiating genetic freedom districts. Local people make that decision then they go to the government and state their intentions, the government, AT THAT POINT, looks at the proposed area and hears any grievances from people living in the community and finds the best way to draw the district lines so that the most possible people are happy. Via attrition over a decade the district eventually becomes genetically free of whatever variety. The government cannot prevent a district from forming nor can they force a district to form. The government merely serves the role of resolving disputes betwee the local people (drawing the best possible district lines such that the most people are happy). That’s the role the government plays. There has to be some sort of authority and obviously that authority is the government. I may have carelessly spoke earlier regarding this.

The government doesn’t initiate anything. Another role the government might play is deciding what percentage of land in a particular region is to remain always “free range.”

Also, remember, I’m very much a proponent of free ethnic groups controlling their own fundamentals of life such that there is no possibly way anybody could claim they are being suppressed or oppressed by a government of “white people” for example. Now this certainly needs to be developed further but it isn’t too difficult to understand.

In a multi-racial democracy, everybody wants to outpopulate the other so they can vote “their people” into control. That’s insane, in my opinion. Thusly governments should be segmented into group aggregates globally.

Mexicans in california or where-ever else should have their own government officials and control all their own fundamentals of life - unless they yield some of that control to others - their choice.

[Zagadka]

@castaway

You are completely missing it…

You seem to have forgotten to answer some questions, spud. That’s OK, I’m sure you are working on it dilligently now.

The government does not get involved with initiating genetic freedom districts.

Except for brainwashing the kiddies and booting people off their land?

In a multi-racial democracy, everybody wants to outpopulate the other so they can vote “their people” into control.

lol, you’re high. Oh, I guess I should ask anyway. Cite?

Mexicans in california or where-ever else should have their own government officials and control all their own fundamentals of life - unless they yield some of that control to others - their choice.

You’re telling me what I want to do (yea, I’m Mexican)? Thanks. I think you’ll find most Mexicans opposed to being segregated, and I certainly haven’t been told of our conspiracy to change our government to Hispanics. Maybe I should start going to our meetings again.

[tomndebb]

Genetic Freedom needs to be a right of every single human bieng upon the planet, both individual and group genetic freedom.

It is already a right–a right that is being exercised at this time. The only difference that I see between the existing genetic freeedom and your variant is that you would establish extra governmental interference to set up segregated boundaries around different groups (all the while denying that they were segregated through some Orwellian mangling of the language) and you will take rights away from people to choose where they will live (even to evicting them from their own property if a bunch of “GF” loonies happen to buy the surrounding property).

Labeling the Amish a “Christian cult” simply because they have succeeded in doing, without requiring government intervention or depriving other people their rights that your plan demands, is ludicrous. They are exercising the very “genetic freedom” that you claim to espouse and they are doing it without forcing anyone to abandon their own homes. (Sounds like you’re jealous, to me.)

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@tomndebb

It is already a right–a right that is being exercised at this time. The only difference that I see between the existing genetic freeedom and your variant is that you would establish extra governmental interference to set up segregated boundaries around different groups (all the while denying that they were segregated through some Orwellian mangling of the language) and you will take rights away from people to choose where they will live (even to evicting them from their own property if a bunch of “GF” loonies happen to buy the surrounding property).

Labeling the Amish a “Christian cult” simply because they have succeeded in doing, without requiring government intervention or depriving other people their rights that your plan demands, is ludicrous. They are exercising the very “genetic freedom” that you claim to espouse and they are doing it without forcing anyone to abandon their own homes. (Sounds like you’re jealous, to me.)

You will get it eventually if you think enough about it. Your mind is stuck in the Media Matrix and can’t get out.

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@Zagadka

You seem to have forgotten to answer some questions, spud. That’s OK, I’m sure you are working on it dilligently now.

No, I’ll be returning April 19th to more diligantly discuss…

Except for brainwashing the kiddies and booting people off their land?

Your perceptions are stuck in the media matrix - you just plain don’t get it and that is expected.

lol, you’re high. Oh, I guess I should ask anyway. Cite?

First of all, studies of this kind are not allowed because they are deemed “racist.” Second, empiracle evidence is clear regarding hispanics in many communities, Blacks in many communities (like washington DC). People naturally aggregate together to try and out populate the others so they can vote their own people into power. It’s not that difficult to see but when your mind is stuck in the media matrix, it is certainly more difficult.

You’re telling me what I want to do (yea, I’m Mexican)? Thanks. I think you’ll find most Mexicans opposed to being segregated, and I certainly haven’t been told of our conspiracy to change our government to Hispanics. Maybe I should start going to our meetings again.

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You’re telling me what I want to do (yea, I’m Mexican)? Thanks. I think you’ll find most Mexicans opposed to being segregated, and I certainly haven’t been told of our conspiracy to change our government to Hispanics. Maybe I should start going to our meetings again.

You have to understand who the “hater” is here. It’s you. You consider anybody who would want this fundamental right of genetic freedom to be “nut jobs” and thusly you would point a gun at them and prevent them from having it…

Thus you are an oppressor of Genetic Freedom. Eventually, that will end. Ignorance allows the masses to freely oppress genetic freedom today, but it will end in time.

[tomndebb]

You will get it eventually if you think enough about it. Your mind is stuck in the Media Matrix and can’t get out.

Ooooh! The “Media Matrix”!

Sorry, it appears to me that you are the one trapped in some “matrix” of imagined reality bounded by paranoia and conspiracy theories. You even believe that whole groups of people are deliberately trying to outbreed other people.
Of all the people I know, not one has ever mentioned a deliberate effort to increase their race/ethnicity/“genetic stock” when deciding to have children. I have seen a couiple of whacko WNs on shows like Jerry Springer’s make the claim that they were going to “breed” for the “white race,” and I am sure that there are nutjobs in other ethnic communities that feel the same. However, I doubt that any group is driven by the lunatic fringe and no sane white, black, brown, or chartreuse person in my experience has ever made a similar claim. The notion that whole groups within society have this master breeding plan that only such cognoscenti as yourself (and not even the breeding groups!) recognize is just silly–as is the rest of your diatribe.

I suspect that we are probably not doing you any good by continuing to enable your fantasy by treating it as worthy of refutation.

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@tomndebb

It is already a right–a right that is being exercised at this time.

You completely disregard the proximity rule while making this statement - a rule that several others on here have already granted is accurate. Thus you are not thinking rationally.

The only difference that I see between the existing genetic freeedom and your variant is that you would establish extra governmental interference to set up segregated boundaries around different groups

If the local communities cannot resolve the boundaries, the larger government has to act as mediator to draw the lines - that’s not interference - it’s mediation… more irrational thought from your brain. Interference indicates an aggressive policy of the government.

(all the while denying that they were segregated through some Orwellian mangling of the language)

You are completely irrational - here is the definition of segregated:

1. transitive verb separate people or things: to separate one person or group from the rest or to keep different people or groups separate

2. transitive and intransitive verb sociology keep groups separate: to enforce a policy of keeping different groups within a population separate, especially different ethnic, racial, religious, or gender groups

3. transitive and intransitive verb genetics undergo genetic segregation: to undergo or cause cells to undergo genetic segregation
   Just as the word “racism” has been destroyed to mean nothing but negative things (It used to simply be a science of observing differences between different ethnic groups - for which there is now no word - what a stupid bunch of humans to not have a word to describe reality), the word “segregation” has been destroyed to mean nothing but definition #2 for human beings. Definition 3 has never applied to human beings - but would actually be most appropirate for Genetic Freedom. Definition one is never perceived by human beings. Perception is everything. If you are using a word that people are perceiving as #2, then you are wrong. That having been established, definition #2 deals with governmental policies of enforcing - it involves “only white people” running the government and telling the black people where they will live. That is how people perceive the world “segregation” each time you use it. Thusly, you are dead wrong to use it as a synonym of Genetic Freedom. If, everybody perceived it as item #1 or item #3, you could use it as a synonym. There is not freedom under the perceived connotation of segretation - do you get it yet? There is total freedom under Genetic Freedom. You are wrong here and time will eventually educate your ignorance.

and you will take rights away from people to choose where they will live (even to evicting them from their own property if a bunch of “GF” loonies happen to buy the surrounding property).

You do not have the right to trample someone elses right of Genetic Freedom. You apparently think you do. You’ll become educated from this ignorance soon. Given that you perceive “Genetic Freedom” people as loonies, means you would also likely have no problem pointing a gun at them to prevent them from having genetic freedom. Thus you are an oppressive, violent individual. Another place you are irrational and wrong - there is no eviction!!! It occurs via natural attrition. If you don’t know what attrition is look it up.

Labeling the Amish a “Christian cult” simply because they have succeeded in doing, without requiring government intervention or depriving other people their rights that your plan demands, is ludicrous.

All Christians, muslims, Jews etc… are cults. They are insane or just plain delusional, whichever word you wish to use.

They are exercising the very “genetic freedom” that you claim to espouse and they are doing it without forcing anyone to abandon their own homes. (Sounds like you’re jealous, to me.)

If a piece of property came up for sale in the Amish country, and a Muslim decided he wanted to buy it, but the Amish refused and sold to a fellow Amish - the Amish would loose the court case - this is your version of freedom - no thanks. You are not rational if you think the Amish are Genetically free upon lands that they genuinely have control over. The moment they choose to sell, it’s all over. Also, there have been attacks upon the right of private property… things change. What they do today, may genuinely become illegal, especially with the ignorance that you currently espouse out of your mind. That kind of ignorance is what hurts people.