A vote for Inner Stickler might be more in line with self-preservation, but I am not feeling the IS lynch. I am suspicious more or less of all of the IS voters, Silver Jan, Weedy, and Stanislaus. I do agree with most of Hirka’s case on Zeriel, just above.
I also suspicious of the bandwagoner’s onto my vote. In particular, Sister Coyote, and, of course, the OMGUS vote from Winston. If it were not for fluiddruid’s claim, I would find her ultra-suspicious for the Pleo votes and then switching onto the bandwagon for me. Normal’s vote seems a little odd to me because she claims to be suspicious of Winston, but then votes me after I vote him. [This is where Normal will pipe up and say that I am once again distorting things: that she had 4 reasons for voting me, but I don’t think I ever counted 4.]
In most games where we would have death reveals, I probably would not claim here. But I think it beneficial for town to know that I am,
Not sticking around??? Yea, I had other things to do than stick around here. I can understand if you think I misinterpreted your sarcastic, dubious smiley remarks, but to vote for me cause I can’t stayed glued to the internet all day???
@Normal, Sorry. I think I read “Listen, I’m no fan of that reason for voting Pleonast myself”, and later thought to myself that you to some extent agreed with my suspicions on Winston. Of course, you continued with “but the implication of what Winston said is clear enough. And you’re skipping this from day two, which would seem to come as close to calling Pleonast non-town as you could wish for.”
It was the other way around – my vote came prior to the sentence you read as indicating suspicion of Winston. And that too feels like a bit of a leap, though I’m not entirely sure it’s a disingenuous one.
In general I agree with your assessment of where the scummy is (and about Inner Stickler, though I’m less confident there) in that I’m actively suspicious of or have things I want to look at regarding most of the candidates you name. But I disagree about Winston Smith (he’s one of the few halfway town reads I have so far this game), disliked your logic on him, and think you’ve been careless with your comments on me as well, which could indicate you’re more flustered than you’re trying to let on.
Why are you suspicious of the people on the IS lynch wagon?
Hrika’s case? Hrika’s case, which boils down to “Zeriel caught me doing something objectively scummy, and is hanging on me like an Everglades gator–I’d better try to spin that as bad and wrong somehow!”?
I think your suspicions of Silver Jan made me keep her in sight. The series of posts starting at http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13901817#post13901817 where Silver Jan reviews all of IS’s posts and then votes him without any explanation seemed off. She later accuses him of not scum hunting, an accusation that I always think is particularly hard to defend. Weedy seemed to jump in and tried to bandwagon onto Silver’s IS vote, or perhaps she was trying to defend Silver’s vote? She talked a lot about Pleo, but then voted IS. It almost seemed to me like they could be scum buddies and had talked about who they thought would be easy lynch targets. Silver agreed to make a case on IS and Weedy was going to take Pleo, but then Silver got in trouble and Weedy changed her case mid-post to IS. This, of course, is total speculation and smudging on my part, and I never saw it as enough for a vote. Stanislaus is suspicious to a much lesser extent just because he’s voting for IS and because he voted me at some point.
Why are you choosing to ignore pretty much everything I said? Knocking down a straw man argument does not actually answer my questions.
Normal suggests that, once again, you’re ignoring what’s actually been said:
And you’ve ignored this, as well.
Winston votes for you partially because of your misreading of him, but also partially because you’re refusing to stick around and defend your votes:
He leaves it unsaid, but I’d like to imagine he’s referring to you absolutely refusing to engage me at all when I question your votes.
You, of course, don’t address that particular part of his case, opting instead to act belligerent:
Nobody is asking you to stay “glued to the internet all day,” no matter how many question marks you throw in at the end. I can’t speak for anybody but myself, but I find it scummy, scummy, scummy that you refuse to actually discuss or explain your votes when directly asked with specific, concrete questions.
You claim to be town. Prove it. Answer the questions. Stop ducking and weaving around them. Stop ignoring them over and over again.
Well, the vote-tie thing is pretty much Zeriel’s entire case against me. I made a vote on day one, at 1:14pm (Eastern), about 6 hours before end of day, to tie it up. The tie lasted a total of nine minutes, and there were 30 posts between when when I voted for a tie, and Red’s night post.
So, how late is it ok to tie? If Zeriel is that worried about a tie, then why didn’t he say anything when Sister voted for a tie at 11:23, which lasted till 1:00?
I voted on day one to protect someone I found to be town, a claimed town at that, and voted for the person I didn’t believe was town. I made it perfectly clear in my post why I was voting, and even mentioned it was a tie. This is only my second game, in the last game the issue of a tie never came up, so didn’t know it was such a taboo to do, but I wasn’t hoping for a tie anyhow, I was just hoping Astral didn’t get lynched.
Zeriel, on the otherhand, have been voting for me for the past 3 days, for one little thing that I didn’t see as being “scummy”. He has been placing what I see as a policy vote, what could be seen as a “safe” vote. This is the exact same thing that I saw scum Pleonast do last game. My vote on him isn’t a OMGUS (I had to look that up btw), it is because I honestly find him scummy, and trying to play it safe.
Astral, I was voting for you. I thought you were scum. I found no need to provide information to the scum. Why are you putting words in Winston’s mouth? He didn’t say anything about my refusal to engage you when I was voting for you. He said he was voting for me, in part, because I did not stick around this morning to defend my vote.
[quote[This is only my second game, in the last game the issue of a tie never came up, so didn’t know it was such a taboo to do, [/quote]
This is not a universal thing, it is specific to this game (and one other, which I believe was also run by Red. Specifically, the tie-break mechanic in this game requires Red to flip five consecutive heads and/or tails or there’s a no-lynch. What that means is that we have a minuscule chance of killing all tied candidates (neutral to good, paradoxically, as it means we get more lynches relative to the number of scum kills) and a large, large chance of no one dying (very very bad, because it means we get fewer lynches relative to the number of scum kills).
This is self-evident from reading the rules.
Let me also clear this up, as I am a strong supporter of nailing people who are voting policy votes. I do not automatically vote for anyone who creates a tie (that would be a policy vote). I DO think creating a tie late in the Day (which I’ve defined previously as “within eight hours of dusk”, in a game that moves like this one has been thus far (i.e, slowly)) is automatically a pro-scum move. I am voting you because your move is the most objectively pro-scum move out there right now. There are a number of anti-town plays being made as well, but none of them rise to the level of yours.
**SisterCoyote **is also on my list for tying it up today, but right now you were first on the block and your defense is nonexistent. Voting for you is objectively not “safe”, as my own accumulated votes will show.
Do you think I’m scum toDay? I’ve asked you an awful lot of questions you’ve refused to answer. Do you think Normal is scum? You’re ignoring her, too. At some point, you can’t just ignore every other player in the game.
Winston said you weren’t defending your vote. Which was on him. Which I questioned. Which you didn’t respond to. Which means when he says you weren’t defending your vote, left unsaid is who you weren’t defending it from. Which was me.
I’ve had it ever since his first post about Pleonast. (There’s a vote here, which I’ve snipped.)
It just feels genuine to me, in a way that votes for what I consider dubious reasons rarely do. Maybe because he doesn’t spend a lot of time worrying about how Pleonast might be scum? I don’t know, though, really, there’s no real logic to it. It would never have rated coming out of my head and onto paper if you hadn’t implied I have suspicion of him that I don’t actually have.
I find it very odd that I am being accused of mis-representing things, when this post is just a load of bullshit. You asked a lot of questions of me when I was voting you. I have seen no questions today except for why I refused to answer your previous questions. I have not ignored Normal at all, in fact, I think I have provided way too much information.
He says nothing about my refusal to answer your questions. He does point to to #1012, where I actually first tried to answer your question of why I had not responded by saying that I thought you were fishing. And #1014 where I did try to back up my vote. Which by the way, I still think is an OK vote. I think Winston’s post below is wishy-washy enough to deserve a vote:
His accusing me of “submarining” and voting for me for not being around this early this afternoon is also suspicious to me.
And it took some serious teeth-pulling to get you to even answer why you were ignoring me. (For the record, “I thought you were scum” isn’t a good reason to completely ignore a player.)
Further, do you think I’m scum today? I’ve asked you, depending on how you group them, four sets of questions toDay. You steadfastly ignored every single one of them until I called you out on it repeatedly.
Did you ignore them because toDay you think I’m scum? I guess you do, because you haven’t offered any other reason to be ignoring me.
For the record, my four sets of questions are these:
Surprisingly, the same post that led me to start thinking of Winston as scum, is the one that gave Normal a townie read? I guess that’s why I keep playing this game.
