Purely at the expense of other humans, but I guess they don’t need rights.
It’s becoming increasingly impossible to have civil discourse in our society, which is why I am increasingly less interested in it. How does one respond civilly to uncivil thoughts, ideas, and policies for how to administer the state? How would the Jew respond civilly to the Nazi? The slave to the master? The black man to the Klansman? The Latino or Muslim to the MAGAbot? The fact is that there is a not-so-small group in this country that has power and wants to use their disproportionate power to impose their wickedness on everyone else. It’s impossible to have “discourse” or "debate"under those circumstances. It’s possible for people don’t have skin in the game, but if you’re the one who is either paying the price to live in Trump’s America or believe you might be paying that price at some point, then you’re not interested in academic debate. You want justice.
I disagree that we’re dealing with a human at the ages under discussion. I’ve heard it called a “potential human” - but we don’t generally deal in potentials. The average human is a potential corpse but nobody seems to think that cremating people is okay.
I’d be okay with a NO BRONZE-AGE MYTHOLOGIES ALLOWED sign on the door, as a means of disallowing religion-based arguments. That would take a lot of the wind out of fascist sails.
^This, thank you.
I’m not really that interested in debating abortion rights. I don’t think there are minds to be changed there - as said, these people lie about what they believe and why (along with everything else) and those who are true believers believe its an edict from god, so why fucking bother?
I’m interested in effective praxis to shut these fuckers down. To protect the rights of the women in Ohio and Alabama and Georgia, to ensure that countless people don’t needlessly suffer under bad, stupid, immoral laws. And you’ll have to excuse me if I don’t think that any part of that praxis begins with or even involves discussing whether life begins at conception with someone who refuses to even state their own principles on the subject but insists that somehow the draft is a useful point of comparison to anti-abortion laws.
There are plenty of people, and many of them with “skin in the game”, that disprove your notion of what’s impossible every day.
Because they don’t understand what’s happening, and why now is different. We’re complacent, ignorant, or both. Once people understand how badly they’re going to get fucked, and that by consensually giving over the country to an authoritarian that they’re giving up their right to have popular influence, they will realize the gravity of their error and become outraged. But it might not be so easy to do something about it then. I trust that one day, HD, even you…will see.
He holds his own in the Pit. That makes him okay in my book.
Bravo! Bravissimo!
It’s not even difficult much less impossible to have reasonable discourse.
There has never been a draft of women because we’ve not had equality in the fighting forces, while there was a draft on, just that simple. Who can say it won’t happen should a draft be instituted in future? That was then, this is now. This point is THE weakest tea EVER!
You don’t think killing animals is ‘murder’, but then I don’t think stopping a clump of cells from developing fully, is murder. Why should your conviction of what is murder shape my actions? If so then my conviction, that eating meat is murder, should equally be able to shape your actions.
My believing it’s murder to eat meat doesn’t make it so. Nor does your opinion halting the development of a clump of cells, is murder, make it true.
There are not myriad reasons for denying persons their body autonomy. You completely sidestepped why it’s okay to suspend my body autonomy to save a clump of cells, but care not about the man who needs a kidney (grown adult, family children, home, employees etc). His twin’s autonomy is iron clad though a human life hangs in the balance.
It almost seems like his magic penis protects him somehow!
The law takes a subtly different view in an increasing number of European states. Hence the existence of the Groningen Protocol and others. But this is not something new. Anyone who thinks that in the case of deformities a subtle slip of a doctor’s scalpel or a mutated neonatal was not simply provided with warm water rather than nutrition and so allowed to quietly end life is naive in the extreme and this still takes place. It has to.
You do realize that in a democracy your opinion on meat does have the approximate weight his opinion on abortion has. The difference is your view is shared by a very small proportion so it is unlikely to become law.
You are vastly underrating the deterrent effect of having police and FBI who are good at their jobs and usually tend to catch terrorists and put them in prison.
Yes, all of this. It’s a rather blatant double standard.
On the topic of women being drafted…
So if the draft is ever re-instituted women could be on the list.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/24/us/military-draft-men-unconstitutional.html
I don’t believe this is an opinion I’ve espoused.
Of course there are. Everything from we need them as soldiers in Vietnam to we don’t want to have to clean their brains up off the highway to drugs are bad. Those are “myriad reasons”, and they’re all examples of us, as a society, denying people their “body autonomy”.
No, it doesn’t.
In spite of what the judge declared, women are not currently required to register for the Selective Service, and thus are not “on the list” if the draft is ever re-instituted.
The alternative is a growing number of beings that are severely deformed, note severely, that cause huge costs to society on every level even before such quality of life that they have being abysmal. That is unacceptable. It would amount to showing less mercy than would be shown to a deformed animal.
They’re not that good. Nearly 40% of murderers are never caught. Imagine how much higher that number would be if all the people who say they thought abortion was murder promised to protect each other, false alibi each other, and other stuff. And what about pro-lifers who are already in the police and FBI? They’d be able to scupper investigations left, right, and center. ‘Abortion is murder’ isn’t some wacky, lunatic fringe position. It’s a popular position held by literally millions of people. If they all decided to walk the walk instead of just talking the talk there’d be no stopping them.
Besides, if you really believed abortion was literally murder, wouldn’t it be worth going to prison for?