I’m still waiting for you to produce anything resembling credible evidence for anything. You are, however, a veritable cornucopia of “factoids” and anecdotes.
I feel for you, if you have experienced the things you describe with your children, and can empathize with your desire to find answers. What you are doing, however, is not helpful. It is the opposite of help, and it is exactly what you accuse others of doing.
Claiming that mercury has anything to do with any of the autism spectrrum disorders without any peer-reviewed scientific studies to support such a claim is practicing voodoo medicine and endangers far more children. Throwing ADD/ADHD into the mix, just because it is convenent, is silly.
I’m the oldest of four children. We were all raised in a loving environment, and we each had all our shots. My sister, the 2nd oldest, is autistic. And not a trendy-aspergers autistic, the real autistic, where she is incapable of living independently. I find it hard to believe that she was afflicted by the evil toxic vaccines while the rest of us siblings managed to emerge unscathed. If vaccines are really a chief element in causing autism, and so many kids get vaccines these days, then why isn’t pretty much every child autistic? It’s such a complex mental disorder that it can’t be mainly affected by any one thing. I’ve met a lot of autistic kids over the years, and no one is the same as my sister. There are varying degrees of autism was well as uncountable different varieties of it. You might as well say that vaccines cause alcohol addiction, or people to like reality shows, or whatever.
Here’s a peer reviewed study. I and a bunch of other parents learned from Amy Holmes, MD and Andrew Cutler, PhD that chelation was curing mercury poisoning misdiagnosed as autism, Asperger’s, ADD, ADHD, PDD/NOS et al… Some of us cured our children and thousands of others are in the process. We peers constantly review the process of biomedical intervention and let each other know how to help our kids because the doctors who poisoned them refuse to help us. None of us have the time or the inclination to write any studies for journals that are controlled by drug company advertising money because they would not be honest enough to publish what we have to tell them. So, we just concern ourselves with letting parents know what works and we slug our way through this mess that we don’t really understand and don’t want to understand. We just want our kids back the way they were born, normal.
The thing you folks who refuse to help can’t do is stop us from curing autism; you can only deny it.
Your comment about throwing ADD into the mix being silly can not alter the fact that my son with ADD is now 100% normal due to chelation.
Once again, go to Safe Minds or Generation Rescue to see the research. I don’t have time to write you a book.
Hentor,
My cured and improved children are credible evidence. If I knew how to do a youtube video and owned any equipment to do so, I would do it. I offered to allow you in my home to meet my children. How much more credible can I get than that?
Would you mind terribly giving us an actual link to this peer-reviewed study so that we could look at it ourselves? In what journal was it published, and when?
How in the world would looking at your children prove that they have been cured of anything?
What a minute! Didn’t you tell me in a post upthread that you never said that? Oh, it was this-
I will say it again- mercury is NOT the main ingredient for ALL autism spectrum disorders.
No such thing as autism before mercury was used as a preservative in vaccines??? So there was NO AUTISM WHATSOEVER before the 1930’s? CITE??? And why didn’t we see this “epidemic” way back then?
:rolleyes:
I think you’ve misread him. The “peers” foresam is referring to are not doctors reviewing clinical trials, but rather the parents of autistic children who share his beliefs about mercury.
Curses! And I so wanted to prevent autism from being cured, too! Foiled again!
EJ’s girl
Kanner, 1943, Said that the autism he named was a condition that had never been seen before. The fact that NOBODY can produce any autistics who are older than 76 proves it did not exist before 1931 when Eli Lilly caused the first case with their negligence of not properly testing thimerosal.
Czarcasm, You can read the ongoing study at the Yahoo group Autism-Mercury where over 7,000 people are participating. It is easy for anyone to spot a child who is a 'vegetable" and a child who is not a “vegetable”. These are parental studies which are much more valid than scientific studies since we are involved in the studies 24 hours a day spread over many years as opposed to some science guy observing a kid for a few minutes every once in a while…
It doesn’t prove that in the least. Your standards for “proof” are very, very low.
Typically, by peer reviewed study, people are referring to the standard practice of having other researchers who are independent of the author and uninvolved in the research scrutinize and question a study prior to its publication.
Studies that rely solely on the report of biased informants without controls are not valid. If the change cannot be observed by disinterested/blinded raters, and if the change is not significantly greater than in a reasonable control group, you just can’t call it change. If you can’t show it in some way, you can’t claim it’s there.
The empirical science guy wins, hands down.
And what was the rate of autism per 10,000 people from 1931 - 1980, please? If your assertion is correct, it should be quite high- hell, it should be 1 in 166, right?
But it wasn’t. Because your basic premise is incorrect. It does not fit with the explosion of autism spectrum diagnoses in the last decade.
You can’t have it both ways- either it did it back then as well as today, or it didn’t.
Hint- it didn’t.
That doesn’t surprise me in the least. But, for goodness sake, please don’t let your friend know about the online Aspie quizzes, otherwise he might join Aspies For Freedom and get the idea that he and his kind might one day be wiped out by the evil Neurotypicals! In the event of a cure being found and forced upon them, some members have already considered arming themselves. :eek: They feel they need to protect their superior genes!
In the case of autism, parents trump science guys because parents have cured kids. When science guys cure some kids, they can present their case to parents who will decide if their case is worth listening to or not.
Parents are the experts on autism. The science guys who caused the epidemic with their untested vaccines are just trying to cover their asses but we’re not going to let them get away with it.
I know there won’t be, that’s what I said. Although, I might have misinterpreted what Marienee meant when I read, “ADHD is moving ever closer to being placed on the autism spectrum.” and “The part in the DSM IV which requires that the behaviors which mark autism to be “significant” is routinely disregarded”. the point that I was trying to make was that because their presentation is similar, particularly in younger children, ADHD is being misdiagnosed as an ASD, and therefore a PDD.
**Doctor Hentor the Barbarian, are you a clinician? **
If you search for “Autism”, “Aspergers” and “ADHD”, you will get 1,370,000 ‘hits’, and you will find support fora where the disorders are put in exactly the same category. There are definite overlaps between the two disorders, and according to research the same genes are implicated.
Yes, and a researcher of the Disruptive Behavior Disorders.
Concerned parent,
You hit the nail on the head with the word “inattention”, common to ADD/ADHD, PDD/NOS, Autism, Asperger’s and Alzheimer’s. Aluminum has long been suspect in Alzheimer’s. Yup, that’s still in vaccines. Combiming aluminum and mercury does not seem to be good for brains. Does anyone disagree with that?
Does anyone take Aspies for Freedom seriously?
Do you have any peer-reviewed studies we can agree or disagree with?
EJ’s girl,
My assertion is that mercury injected into one day old infants was the leading cause of the epidemic. The rate of autism was thought to be 1 in 10,000 before the 80’s but I’d guess it was more like 1 in a million most of that time. My opinion is that the epidemic continues because the flu shot for pregnant women is getting mercury into babies’ brains before they are born.
It’s pretty funny that our government warns pregnant women not to eat tuna fish because of mercury and then injects mercury into them anyhow, don’t you think. Do any science guys have an opinion about that?
DSeid, Do you think that individuals with the BAP, who are quite obviously not disabled, should be getting an Aspergers diagnosis?
I find it most interesting that UK autism expert Dr Simon Baron-Cohen is focusing on Autism Spectrum Conditions in systemizers - economists, engineers and mathematicians - and the Irish autism expert Dr Michael Fitzgerald is concentrating his efforts on finding Aspergers in creative people - artists, authors. philosophers and musicians. I shouldn’t have thought that high-systemizers and creativity were compatible.
I also find it most curious that searching for Austism Spectrum Conditions and Aspergers in geniuses began in 1999.
Screening for autism and getting kids services have increased the autism rate. Screening for autism began in 2000, and doctors looking for signs of atypical development will find them.
It is grossly unfair to move the goalposts for an autism diagnosis in 2000, and begin labelling individuals with atypical Aspergers and mild Aspergers. Aspergers Syndrome was a disability until 2000. Parents of children with regressive late-onset Autism after vaccination in the 90s were relying on the diagnosis of an ASD remaining constant. That has not happened. Since that time, quirky children and late-developers have been getting an autism diagnosis.
No it hasn’t. Now you are just repeating myths.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s1163941.htm
Yes, I disagree, unless you are going to move the goalposts from the miniscule amounts in vaccines to some other standard.
As others have pointed out, all the scientific evdience says that vaccination, even with aluminum and mercury, is good for brains and indeeed every other body system.
What is not good for brains is rubella, or measles or other diseases that have actually been proven to cause brain damage and are prevnatble by vaccination.