I begin to wonder about the IQ level in here. For one thing, the subject is babies sitting on tables, not what possible germs might be floating around. For another, we have yet to see a legitimate need to sit a baby on a table, whereas diners would have difficulty eating without having their hands or elbows on or near the table. And finally, do you all really not understand the difference between cold or flu germs on hands and e coli or hepatitis in feces?
As for babies being blamed for all the ills of the world, I’d say a good argument could be made for that, but since I didn’t say it…
I don’t know about you, but I wash my veggies when I get them home from the market, and I’m pretty sure that restaurants do too.
There are things that one must take a chance with - babies on tables is not one of them. Which is the whole point of this. We live in a world filled with germs, but we shouldn’t have to put up with lazy inconsiderate parents who feel they are entitled to do whatever they want if it makes doing something a bit easier for them.
I’ve grown tired of dealing with your willful idiocy, but really, I must ask – who crowned you Queen of Judging the Legitimate Need to Sit a Baby on a Table? I have a legitimate need, you say I don’t, but you know absolutely NOTHING about the situation. You’re fucking clueless. Utterly, utterly clueless.
And furthermore, why isn’t “Because I fucking want to” a Legitimate Need? Before you answer that it’s putting the ENTIRE WORLD at risk, just dig up one teensy, eensy little cite showing that it’s even the slightest bit dangerous. I don’t even give a fuck if it’s from ihatebabies.com. Just something other than the bullshit that has been ceaselessly spewing out of your mouth.
To put it another way – Put up, or please for the love of all that is holy and unholy, shut the fuck up.
And right on time we have the guy who is unable to wipe his baby’s nose without sitting her on the table. All I can go by is what you post, and since you have posted zero that indicates why you cannot function without contaminating a public eating surface, yup - we have yet to see a legitimate need to sit a baby on a table. As long as you want to be cute and pretend you have some big secret reason why a baby’s nose must be wiped on a table instead of in a high chair, a booster chair or in it’s parents arms, there is no reason why anyone should think you are anything other than highly entitled. Which you proceed to prove…
Do you understand the definition of the word “need”? Perhaps you should look it up. “Because you fucking want to” is an expression of a selfish desire, not a need.
You really need a cite that shows that e coli, hepatitis, salmonella and all of the other fun, er, shit are dangerous? Or that they appear in human feces? OK, here you go on the first one, and there are links on the second one from there. (Was it you that liked Wiki? Can’t remember)
Heh, this from the guy that says we are supposed to believe that the only way he can wipe his kid’s nose is by sitting her ass on a table…
No, you have mentioned previously your concern with germs (note you didn’t specify what sort of germs) on tables, and blamed it 99% on babies, where I have given you several other sources:
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…it is not at all unreasonable to be concerned about what sorts of germs might be out there. Since 99% of the people don’t put their feet on the tables, and 99% of the adult don’t sit on the tables, the only real vector are the diapered asses. Diapered asses that are only there because their parents are lazy and entitled.
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I’ve explained that ‘germs’, both cold/flu and fecal can very easily be spread by adults not washing their hands after the toilet, or by placing money on the tablecloth as a tip, or even through a restaurant not being careful with washing produce (I guess you trust all restaurants are more responsible than parents??).
All of which have as good a chance as a baby’s bum of contaminating your dining surface. So while I’m avoiding placing my baby on the table (which I do, 100% of the time, even though my baby never goes anywhere without clothing over her cloth nappy), another childless adult could be putting poo germs all over your table. Where’s your ire for that?
Different people find different things disgusting. I don’t mind people who eat loudly and sloppily because the sound they make while they eat do not bother me. But I do not eat in that manner because I know that there are people who are annoyed and disgusted by it.
I ask that parents be decent and kind enough to consider the feelings of other people. We can’t help it if the sight of a diaper-clad-baby sitting on a table makes us lose our appetite. We’ll also refrain from actions that you and your children will find disgusting. Thank you.
I told you that it’s a two-handed operation. I cannot wipe my daughter’s nose while holding her; she thrashes away so suddenly that snot gets dragged into her eyes, her hair, my shirt, etc. It takes one hand to hold the Kleenex and wipe and the other to hold her head so she won’t wriggle away. You can insist all day long that I should be able to do it without putting her on a surface, but you will be wrong all day long. (For the record, my wife also cannot wipe her nose while holding her).
A person with two brain cells to rub together (i.e., not you) would have said, “I’ve never had any problem wiping a kid’s nose. Why do you?” You, instead, being the Queen of Wrong, skipped the question part and jumped to an answer that – as you even just admitted – you have no basis jumping to! “Nope, you can do it while holding your kid.”
You missed my point (shocker, I know). My point is why should I need to put my baby on the table? I happen to need to, sometimes, but why am I limited to only situations where I need to? I don’t need to wear flip-flops out of the house, but I do sometimes, even if you don’t like the sight of toes. I don’t need to listen to my headphones when I’m out and about, but I do, even if you think it’s rude. Similarly – and oh dear, I hope I haven’t lost you – I don’t (always) need to put my baby on a table, but sometimes I do, even if you think it’s rude. Capisce?
That would be tremendously helpful, if I had asked, “Are E. coli et. al. dangerous?” (N.B. that your cite doesn’t even mention hepatitis! Perhaps you’re not such an expert on human shit as you think you are? Or maybe you should read your own cites before posting them? Or, better yet, maybe stick to bullshit instead.) What I asked is “Before you answer that it’s putting the ENTIRE WORLD at risk, just dig up one teensy, eensy little cite showing that it’s [i.e., putting a baby on the table] even the slightest bit dangerous.” Your cite doesn’t mention the word “risk” or “danger” (except, unbeknownst to you, I’m sure, since you obviously didn’t read your own damned cite, E. coli is generally not dangerous). Here, try this, a more specific set of points you could address:
Believe what you want, you’re wrong. Believe with all of your heart and mind, and you’ll still be wrong. Obviously, that won’t stop you, but it’s true.
P.S. curlcoat, you’ve already said that you don’t have kids of your own, but you know all about diapers from raising your brothers. How old were they when you started raising them?
Don’t mind curlcoat. She just hates babies and if anyone says anything about babies she’d find some way to be against it. We could post an OP like “Baby saves planet from meteor strike” and she would find some way to oppose it. She’s also somewhat paranoid that someone somewhere is plotting to force her to give birth. It takes all kinds, I guess.
That couldn’t possibly be. She raised two babies herself, making her an expert – not only on babies, but also on anyone and everyone who has ever had a baby. Pretty neat trick!
But yeah, I know I’m being Sisyphus here (even though I don’t know anything about curly apart from what she’s posted in this thread). I’ve lost some steam, but pointing out how she’s wrong and clueless is still a fun way to kill 10 minutes (even if it lost its novelty a few pages ago).
Not just on Babies… Curlcoat is the Curlinator and you better give up, because resistance is futile.
S/He/It argues in a fuck-about way around the problem and you will never win an argument with the Curlinator.
Now, the fun thing is, I kind of have to agree with her on: NO ASS on the dinner table.
Now, if this is just the Germaphobe talking or not… I am no expert on germs and stuff, but I do not like to see someone sitting with their arse on the dining table while I am eating. What happens when I am not around is another story and I just don’t care about that.
I am also aware; that there is other stuff nastier than that… people sneezing, not washing their hands after doing god-knows-what-with-them, money…the list is endless.
However, in a public restaurant, I do not want to see an arse on the table while I’m eating.
And here’s the extra-super-funny thing – I pretty much agree with you, too, albeit less vehemently. If I had a levitating baby, I’d let her hang in the air while I wiped her nose, because I know (moreso after participating in this thread, certainly than before) that people don’t like asses on the table. But that’s a preference that you, me, and even the Curlinator have, and it’s absolutely the first thing to go if I need it to. Like if I need to wipe my daughter’s nose without getting snot in her eyes or all over my clothes. Curly can pretend that my need isn’t really a need, and that her preference should absolutely trump my need, but she has demonstrated that she is talking out of her ass in that (and many other) regards. I’d think twice if she had demonstrated that there was a danger (i.e., it’s more than “I’d rather you didn’t;” it’s a “You’ll make someone sick if you do so”). But she has failed miserably on that account, obviously, replacing persistence and obstinacy with actual information.
You are forgetting, that the Curlinator does not need to be right or to have any facts, because she is ALWAYS right.
The need of the Curlinator is above everything and everyone else and she keeps coming and coming…
I personally think, there is NO (or maybe very-very-very little) danger in having a kid on the table besides it falling of the table, it’s just one of these things you don’t do or that most/some people do not want to see in a restaurant.
Context is your friend - you should introduce yourself to it.
Paying attention is also a good thing. I’ve already said that the subject of this thread is babies sitting on restaurant tables, not people who don’t wash their hands or money. I will note however that neither hands nor money produce shit themselves so are less likely to have feces specific germs than a butt.
You should teach quixotic78 how to manage it - he apparently thinks it is impossible for him to do.
So, both of you are retards. Do you really think you have the only kid in the world that thrashes when you try to wipe her nose?
I also note that you completely ignore the idea that you wipe the nose prior to taking her out of the high chair or the booster chair. Why is it that your child only needs her nose wiped in the few seconds/minute between taking her out of the chair and putting her in the car?
Actually, I said essentially just that, but you ignored it at the time, or skipped over it or whatever you did. If you look back, when the claim that you can’t handle this basic of parenthood first came up, I said something along the lines of “if I could do it as a teen, why can’t you”.
And you missed mine - it should be obvious to even you that sitting/standing a baby/child on a restaurant table grosses out a significant portion of society. So if you have any manners at all, you don’t consider what you want to do over the sensibilities of your fellow diners.
Uh, you asked why it might be dangerous to have a diapered baby on a table - do you not understand the connection between something that shits in it’s pants and the possibility of feces specific germs on the table?
It’s not like I’m going to spend a bunch of time looking up cites for things that should be painfully obvious.
That part has already been cited in this thread. No matter what you want to ignore, it has been established that -
a) babies shit in diapers.
b) shit can contain germs that will make people very sick, sometimes dangerously so.
c) diapers cannot at all times contain baby shit.
There has also been some discussion on how parents away from home will change the baby and put all the clothes back together before washing up, therefore possibly leave poop germs on the outer clothes. I don’t know whether or not it’s true since I’ve never changed a baby away from home, but it does sound rather likely since (for some bizarre reason) many if not most baby changing stations seem to be in the handicapped stall, so mommy probably does wash up after she is completely done.
So, if you want some other portion of the internet to “cite” that there is a good possibility that a diapered child may leave feces specific germs on a table, go look for it yourself. Others are intelligent enough to add up that which has been cited here without needing the obvious conclusion to also be cited.
Really? Children don’t matter when they aren’t yours?
Oh please. Your response to the possibility that a diaper can leave feces behind is to insist that we prove the unprovable? Try this - there is a sign in damn near every restaurant bathroom that employees must wash hands after being in there, and the government keeps pushing that everyone wash their hands frequently, right? And hands are a less likely vector of feces specific germs than asses, right? So an ass with a diaper that may have been used recently is more likely to transmit those germs than the average adult hand, right? Even you should understand that.
The older one was a little over a year and the younger one was 2 - 3 months old. How does that have anything to do with the subject?
