Getting into Stanley Kubrick / films in general

I have never been any kind of “film buff”, just a thumbs-up/thumbs-down guy with no sophistication at all.

A couple of weeks ago my kids wanted to watch The Shining because the iconography is everywhere in their memes. I though, ok, this is just a horror flick, Stephen King adaptation, reportedly good but I didn’t expect anything special.

Boy was I wrong. Partway through the film, I started to get it, the whole Kubrick thing. So I watched Clockwork Orange and 2001 for the first time and was even more amazed. This didn’t hit when I first watched Full Metal Jacket or Eyes Wide Shut, but I was less mature, saw it on a CRT TV, and was probably distracted by some of the subject material. I’ll re-watch those soon.

I still have no sophistication but I get the Kubrick thing now. Shots, angles, sets, color contrast, camera movement, the music. It’s something special, it hits in a way that I can’t even explain. Like he’s telling a story of course, but also in every frame he’s showing his hand. He wants me to see what he’s doing, how he’s doing it. He knows he’s got it right, he’s proud of it, and he wants to show it because all of those choices also help shape the story. And on the other hand some parts seem purposely inaccessible and inscrutable, like, “you can watch this part a hundred times but you won’t get an analysis, this is pure experience, attempt no landing here”. I love how he alternately guides and strands the viewer.

So now that I get the whole Kubrick thing, what other films should I prioritize watching? And what other filmmakers have a similar “thing”?

Wes Anderson definitely has a “thing” by which I mean a recognizable style. So much so that it can be parodied.

Whit Stillman has a thing as well, particularly in his first three movies, though he’s not made many.

If you’re just getting into Kubrick, you must watch “Dr. Strangelove (Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.”) Peter Sellers in three roles, George C. Scott, Sterling Hayden and Slim Pickens riding the atomic bomb to Armageddon, it was really the “Hot Line Suspense Comedy” of its time.

Paths of Glory is one of the most harrowing anti-war films ever made.

I’ll watch that one again. I think I was in my early 20s when I first saw it, and got basically none of it. I’m unsophisticated now, but back then I was an absolute doorknob.

It’s good for sure, especially for its time. I think Come and See, Graveyard of Fireflies, and even Full Metal Jacket are its equal or are superior.

And I really like the post-bootcamp part of Full Metal.

I do know Wes Anderson. So many good titles but I have to put Moonlight Kingdom at the tippy top. Coen brothers as well.

These have styles that I register, and I like noticing the recurring elements that define each of them. But they don’t compel me to look below the surface, I just take in the entire surface. Clever films, novel aesthetics, an experience to cherish but not to tear down and examine.

Undeniably fascinating, both intellectually and visually. But the misanthropy ultimately reached the level of gratuitous.

Could you please clarify what or whom you are referring to?

Thanks for asking. Will circle back later with an explanation.

Not counting 3 early documentaries, Kubrick directed only 13 films. If you’re into Kubrick, why would you not see them all? Including the documentaries, I’ve seen all but Fear and Desire (1952), his first feature for completists only (I tried to watch it and failed).

While any Kubrick movie will have moments of brilliance, I would say The Killing (1956), Paths of Glory (1957) and Dr. Strangelove (1962) are his best films. Imo, 2001 (1968) represents both the summit of his achievement as a director as well as the point where he started falling off.

I would also recommend Stanley Kubrick’s Boxes (2008) as offering good insight into the OCD-like symptoms which seem to have afflicted the director and his increasingly infrequent (and inferior, for Kubrick) later films.

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I’ve seen them all, even Fear and Desire (definitely the last one I’d watch) but I’d start with Dr. Strangelove as the most accessible of his movies. My favorite is 2001, since I was a Clarke fan long before it came out. I’ve seen that more than any other movie. The Blu Ray version has some nice features, including the interview with Jeremy Bernstein for the New Yorker. Forget about listening to the commentary track with Dullea and Lockwood commenting clearly at different times and places. They had no idea about what was going on.
Much of Kubrick should be seen in a real theater, not on a TV, even a big one. 2001, certainly, also Barry Lyndon. The earlier ones are fine on a TV.
Before Covid there was an excellent traveling exhibition on him which I saw at the Contemporary Jewish Museum in San Francisco. It had sections for all his movies, and showed a very early documentary on boxing (sort enough to watch in the museum) which clearly had an influence on Killer’s Kiss.
I agree that you should watch all of them, even the disappointing Eyes Wide Shut.

One of the really cool things they had was Adam Savage’s model of the Overlook Hotel Maze.

Tarantino movies are pretty great. Here is a breakdown of the bar scene from “Inglorious Basterds”. (DEFINITELY a spoiler!) It is astounding how much is there that you never realize but, subconsciously, it is working on you.

The YouTube channel “Every Frame a Painting” is now mostly defunct (I think) but has some great videos on movies and how scenes are made and helps us appreciate the art involved when it iis done well.

Thank you for that! I just watched it on YouTube, and it was fascinating. Well worth watching, all you other Kubrick fans.

You won’t like all of these, but these are some filmmakers you may like if you enjoyed Kubrick

David Lynch
Paul Thomas Anderson
Werner Herzog
Christopher Nolan
The Coen brothers
Mike Flanagan (among other things, he did the sequel to the shining, which is ‘doctor sleep’)

Also any movie based on a book by Charles Bukowski

Stanley Kubrick, whose misanthropy was novel at the time, but in our era of performative cynicism and “tough-mindedness” hasn’t aged well.

Truly, the OP clearly states: “Clever films, novel aesthetics, an experience to cherish but not to tear down and examine” IRT Wes Anderson and the Coens. But that’s a pretty good rule of thumb in general. One of the smartest things any character in a movie said about it themselves was William Hurts’ in The Big Chill: “You’re so analytical! Sometimes you just have to let art… flow… over you.“

However,

Stanley Kubrick started his career in an age of a level of mawkish sentimentality unbelievable to us today: irreconcilable to any intelligent person on its own, but combined with that same eras’ grinding heel of HUAC/McCarthyism upon intelligent, creative (and, often like Kubrick himself, Jewish) Americans, it’s no surprise that his work is a rejection of sentimentality. Telling that his breakthrough, The Killing, was a Film Noir.

John Ford is at the other side; as interesting mentally and visually as Kubrick, but Ford’s sentimentality is laid on so thick as to make your eyes roll. A more clear cut divide between two filmmakers vis a vie sentimentality and cynicism is hard to find. (Although can be found: between Chaplin and Keaton. Buster didn’t care about his guy, just the gags. Charlie desperately did, and in it he revealed the poison seed of sentimentality: self-pity. And lord how Chaplin did wallow in that.)

But there is the paradox of realism and sentimentality: to realistically portray people, you have to account for their propensity to sentimentality. The great Realist novelist like Dreiser and Steinbeck knew this. Filmmakers display this capacity through their actors. And that’s where Kubrick comes up short. The only actor who won an Oscar in a Stanley Kubrick movie was Peter Ustinov in Spartacus; which Kubrick himself didn’t consider to really be a Kubrick movie.

In comparison look at a movie like The Last Picture Show, which could only be a movie about horny teenage boys who live in the middle of nowhere and whose live don’t really matter. But then, out of nowhere, great actresses give amazing performances.

Or have a look at the movies of William Wyler; (Sister) Carrie, and The Heiress (both great movies for actresses), The Best Years of Our Lives, etc. Or from Japan: Ozo and Kurosawa: stories of ordinary people’s lives can be shown without resorting to stupid sentimentality. Movies like The Manchurian Candidate can make the audience empathize with unlikable characters. But nobody was invited to empathize with Barry Lyndon. That wasn’t the point. Then what was the point? Advanced cinematography?

Kubrick wasn’t interested in that. Great actors like Jack Nicholson are few and far between the dullard Dullea, O’Neal and Cruise. Stanley was so smart, so his stories didn’t need smart storytellers besides himself.

So of course there reaches a horseshoe of cynicism with sentimentality. Henry Fonda came to blows with John Ford because Fonda wanted Mr. Robert’s to show war as stupid, brutal and dehumanizing, while Ford only wanted a jolly service comedy. Kirk Douglass insisted Paths of Glory include the weeping soldiers in the canteen before they were sent to the deaths they knew awaited them, but thirty years later, free from interference, Kubrick ended Full Metal Jacket with its Marines singing not a tearful Faithful Hussar but the Mickey Mouse theme song, inexplicably oblivious to their own mortality despite seeing their own comrades easily wiped out earlier that day.

2001 ends with the Starchild in orbit. In the source novel it’s blandly watching the earth burning in nuclear war. And that’s the most Kubrick shot there could be: above it all, and it’s all rather pointless. Shall we set the chessboard up again?

Just watched it tonight.

I didn’t find it all that belly laughing funny. But it’s a clever movie.

I like George C. Scott. What a weirdo.
Slim tickled me.

Yes, you must watch it.

(Dr.Strangelove)

Nice analysis, but that’s not how 2001 ends in book form. The Starchild detonated the nuclear weapons in orbit to clean things up. In 2010 we learn that the brightness of the explosions had an effect on those looking up, but it was a lot better than if they were used in anger.
I believe I’ve read that there was some thought to showing the explosions in the movie, but it would have been too close to the ending of Dr. Strangelove.