Well, if you wanted to know gigi’s interpretation and only gigi’s interpretation, try a PM next time.
“For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil. The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!”
Luke 7:33-34.
Sounds just exactly what an alkie-in-denial would say, don’t it? And his Mom’s influence didn’t help none . . .
One day, Michelangelo was up on the scaffolding working on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, and he was feeling bored, and happened to glance down, and saw an old woman kneeling at the altar and praying. Feeling like a bit of fun, he shouted, “Woman, I am Jesus Christ!”
The woman didn’t even look up, just kept on praying.
He tried again, “I am Jesus Christ!”
She didn’t look up.
Michelangelo figures, she’s not buying it, but why not try once more. “I am Jesus Christ! Listen to me and I will perform miracles!”
At that the woman glared upwards, and said, “Hey, you shut-uppa you mouth! I’m-a talk-a to you Mamma!” :mad:
I remember the episode of “Win Ben Stein’s Money” where this came up, and Ben went ballistic. He refused to accept the answer. He was abso-fucking-lutely certain it referred to Jesus’ conception, not to Mary’s. It was charming to watch him lose it.
Yeah that’s it. It doesn’t explicitly say so in the Bible, but even if Jesus has a stick up his ass he still has to be a good boy and mind his mother. These were the traditions of the Catholic church that bound its lay community together, they don’t really give a crap about the church hierarchy.
So what happened? Did anyone convince him?
He became a creationist.
Odd for a Jew to be so insanely dogmatic on a point of Christian doctrine . . . on which not even Christians can agree . . .
If I had to guess, it’s all derived from the two addresses to Mary, which are incorporated into a prayer. The wiki article on the Roman Catholic Mary has more.
A more sceptical view is that the Church adapted pagan rituals and sentiments to win converts.
Isn’t it ultimately that Christians think women are gross and icky, and thus if there has to be a woman involved in their savior’s story, she’s gotta be absurdly (even unearthly) pristine, lest she make the story all gross and icky?
Seems to me it would have been easier just to say Jesus magically appeared on Earth.
No, that’s the Immaculate Reception. (Or Immaculate Deception, if you’re a Raiders fan.)
Test tube babies?
Why do tube babies need testing?
So they don’t get left behind?
“Odd for a Jew to be so insanely dogmatic on a point of Christian doctrine . . . on which not even Christians can agree . . .”
The OP is an idiot.
Oh right. They named it Immaculate Conception after the football play.
I think I’ll take a Hail Marry pass on the rest of this thread…
If you want to know what I mean by that, start another thread to ask me!
From the other thread, where you posted the exact same insightful analysis:
Getting married in a thunderstorm? (I’ll just hijack this thread).