Gillette's controversial ad -or- I found the incels!

Don’t be stupid. They want to save lives not sell razor blades.

Goes back and rewatched ad

Umm…no they don’t.

You might be happy taking moral instruction from Don Draper just because you happen to agree with the message, but I’m not.

You’re dodging the question. How badly would a corporation need to behave before you became annoyed (not offended, but annoyed, there is a difference) by them telling you how to be a good person?

If you answer is that there’s no limit then we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

It’s literally the first part of the ad. They show off a bunch of their old types of advertisements, and then repudiate themselves by using their own slogan to say “Is this really the best a man can get?”

Of course they are just a soulless organization. But so is every other organization. Some put out ads with bad messages, that promote bad things. Some, on the other hand, put out good messages. They say the things we want our young people and still deciding people to hear.

Just like the PSAs also put out messages we want people to hear. It doesn’t matter one bit who put them out or why. For all you know, the PSA exists because of a lawsuit, or some law that passed, or to make a politician look better. Many PSAs are privately funded–see the “very special episode” or ads with rich celebrities saying things: they’re just doing it for a paycheck a lot of the time.

And, yes, I am not answering your questions, because I reject your framing. It’s called a frame challenge. If you’ve been on the good boards out there, you’re familiar with the concept.

We reject the framing that this is some multinational soulless company telling us what to do, and that we should be mad about this. It’s a soulless company putting out a good message, and we want there to be more good messages out there.

Why the hell would I be upset if Don Draper put out an anti-smoking ad? As long as it’s not designed to undermine the position, the result is that more people learn the harms of smoking. I don’t care that he smokes a ton a day, or what other evil stuff he does.

It’s not like being evil makes the message wrong. That’s ad hominem.

And I have to realize that, if I get mad at them over this, they’ll stop doing this, and go back to what they did before, putting out the ads that appealed to toxic masculinity, that just as much “told me what to do,” but told me bad things. And told other people them, too.

That’s how capitalism works. Companies do what makes them the most money and helps their brand. If doing the right thing helps, they do that. If doing the wrong thing helps, they do that. So why wouldn’t I encourage them to do the right thing?

If you want to take down capitalism, then that’s a whole other argument, and you’d better have an idea of what to replace it with. Because, right now capitalism is what works.

It’s hilarious that the soulless multinational corporation has, with one advert, got hordes of social justice warrior types giving them loads of free publicity. I assume many of those people are those that claim that they can’t be swayed by advertising as well.

As for the praise the advert has got, it’s still framing things in terms of manliness. Just try to be a decent person, regardless of gender roles.

It seems to me that the people bothered by this ad are the people typically throwing around the SJW label.

One could argue that Gillette is also trying to save lives. How many victims of bullying later turned around and killed the bully?

NB: a spouse killing their abuser counts.

I’m not bothered by the ad, I think it’s a brilliant piece of marketing. I will say that people taking it seriously enough to be offended by it is just as funny as people taking it seriously enough to praise its message.

It would be informative if the men offended by the ad could point out the parts that bother them and explain why. Got any takers? I have transcribed it to make it easy.

Rather than continue the laborious process of transcribing every little thing, I will just show what how the narrator finishes the rest.

LOL. The great bulk of the free publicity comes from butthurt conservatives expressing outrage at it. Mostly on twitter.

According to Ad-age, this is a huge win for Gillette. It’s a national topic of conversation grounded on an advertisement that will be shown a total of one time on national television. It puts the brand out there.

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It’s an attack on modern conservative values. See a kid on his back being pummeled by another kid on top of him? Real conservatives join in, pat the bully on the back, and give him a challenge coin.

Woman being catcalled on the street? The real victims are male conservatives expressing their sexuality.

Personal accountability, human dignity, and stepping up to protect the weak, right a wrong? Nails that stick out get hammered: conservatives believe in ducking their heads at the first sign of trouble, leaving tough fights to others. Much better to side find a sympathetic mob to side with, one that isn’t bothered by proclivities towards assault or other illegal activity.

All that small government stuff? It’s bullshit. The glue that binds the modern American conservativism is sadism, preferably against a target that can’t fight back, from which it follows that best opponents are imaginary ones.

The ad was highly offensive to modern conservative values.

Not weird at all! Imagine the bite of the vellum as it pulls chips of graphite off your lead, the ever so quiet scratch of your Rapidograph’s nib, the smooth, powdery feel of vellum freshly pounced (inking is even more tactile than using a pencil). Not the slightest bit weird, if you start out OCD. My first psychologist said, “At least you chose the right profession.” Direct quote.

For me it’s this line.

This is completely unreasonable. Have you picked a man up lately? They are heavy. I am NOT a body builder Terry! I can’t dance my titty muscles like you!

I guess? But really the 2nd group only exists because of how vocal the 1st group is. They otherwise wouldn’t have thought much of it. It’s a big self-own on the part of “outraged” man-children.

The bad behavior took place a long time ago. Now if the head of the Gillette division had been accused of harassing women, and got a bonus for it, then this campaign would be hypocritical. I doubt Gillette as a division has much to do with tampons. I don’t know P&G’s structure, but I’d bet the Gillette people never even talk to the tampon people, so it doesn’t seem to be the case here.
Now if it was a bad message, I’d reject it as a bad message. Telling me to be a good person? No problem. Especially with their specifics.
I went to a class about what to do if you come upon some racist scumbag hectoring someone. That was a case of learning how to be a better person. No I was not offended.
It would be interesting to know where this idea came from - was it Gillette, or was it the ad agency who had been chartered to do something socially useful.
If the ad encourages even a small fraction of men to intervene as shown at the end, I think it is a really good thing - a lot better than 99% of the ads I’ve seen. Do you agree?

I wonder if that would be better for my balls than the Mach3 Turbo.

YES

ROFL. I don’t harass, bully, any of that. So… as far as the ad goes I don’t give a shit. it isn’t talking about me.

I think the real problem is, it touched a nerve. What was the ad saying? “Don’t be an asshole”. Only the assholes should be registering ANYthing. People need to grow some balls, man up, and move on.

Fucking snowflakes. Grow the fuck up already.

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OK, I watched the clip from that thread and all I can say is that if anyone is offended by that, then anyone is a fucking douchebag. It’s an ad saying “Don’t be a dick.”
If anyone is offended that Gillette, in an attempt to sell razors, is telling anyone not to be a dick, then anyone is a dick and can go fuck themself. With some gillette razors. Hell, they could have made a regular commercial and put some fucking Nickelback music on it or something. That would have been offensive.

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OK, buddy, that’s IT!!!
I’m gonna shave with shotguns! :smiley:

I don’t praise Gillette for this ad. I praise the activists who’ve changed our culture sufficiently that multinational corporations see money to be made in ads like this.

They’re a symptom of a culture shift, and they don’t get credit for being a symptom, but it sure is a nice thing to see anyway.

One thing the advert got right is to show that it’s emphatically not activists who change culture, it’s ordinary individuals calling out those who misbehave that do so. Activists claiming credit for the zeitgeist is another thing that is hilarious.

It’s a chain of events. Zietgeist doesn’t happen without an initiator.

I do praise Gillette for its guts and skill at ad-spending efficiency. Sort of like I praise an athlete for their performance, while appropriately expecting little of them as role models. That’s really not their job.

I could imagine praising a privately owned business for its moral uprightness [1], or a bigger company for its corporate culture.[2] But Gillette is a division within a conglomerate, and I see no evidence that P&G is particularly interested in advancing human progress. Nor do I expect them to: it’s not their job.
[1] Can’t think of any.
[2] Vanguard, USAA, and Alphabet, not that any are perfect. Most of the praiseworthy are not perfect because nobody is; few are close.