Everything I said is a position you have taken in this thread. The only one you’ve taken back completely is now the trans one, so I will remove that one from the argument.
You did argue that, because the antimask stuff and the lies about the fraudulent election are Republican talking points, that they should not be relevant in determining if someone gets fired. That it’s okay to say these utterly deplorable things without consequence. because 45% of the country [sic] believe it.
And you continue to downplay a bigoted, hateful remark as just “stupid.” A remark that you would have made a whole thread about a couple months ago is now one that people are wrong to get so upset about.
Finally, you are arguing that “cancel culture has gone too far” after reading apparently only one source. Despite such an argument being one that would help the deplorables, you didn’t even stop to check if you had all the facts. And then, when I and other posters pointed out the facts you were missing, you continued to gloss over most of them for quite a long while.
Instead of just having a kneejerk reaction, you should stop and think. And, if you’re reading sources that tend to push the whole “cancel culture/SJWs/PC has gone too far” narrative, you might want to ween yourself off of those. They use anger to override reasoning because anger spreads better.
You’re currently taking the same position as Breitbart and Ted Cruz, FFS.
The people who give a shit are hyperventilating over so-called “cancel culture”. Employers aren’t allowed to fire white people for expressing odious political views on Instagram. That’s just for black entertainers who take a public stance against boring shit like police murdering civilians.
See, I guess I just don’t feel the same sense of outrage, which is not to say that my opinion is right or that my opinion should be the standard. I see it as a dumb attempt at an analogy and nothing more. As was mentioned in the post that you replied to, it’s a clumsy attempt at Nazi analogy. As I said in the title, ignorant AF.
There is an argument to be made that a cheap apology for something you didn’t actually do, and refusing to take responsibility for other people’s illogical reactions to things you said that did not mean what they took them to mean, is a principled and logical stand that serves to not cheapen apologies.
I do not happen to think that’s why Carano didn’t apologize. She’s just a Trumpist.
But that is self-evidently only half the story. It is clear that people DO care and often want celebrities fired and pushed out of the business. There was a movement of fans demanding Carano be fired before she was fired; this did not just suddenly happen and THEN elicit a reaction from right-wingers. #firecarano or #fireginacarano (or maybe both, I’m not sure) was a big trending thing.
Disney would never, ever have fired her without public outrage first. Why would they? That’s why they fired her. They’re in the entertainment business and how fans react is how they make or lose money.
Well there is that fact. As some smart person phrased it upthread… when you’re an actor, you’re not just an employee, you are the product.
When the product starts pissing off consumers and acting cute about it… it’s time to rotate inventory! I don’t know a single red-blooded capitalist who would be against a business managing their inventory.
The fact Carano is at best an adequate actor doesn’t do her any favors.
I agree with asahi that the online mob campaigns are out of control. However, Disney’s response here is quite logical and totally legal. Carano wasn’t going to make them any money, so she’s out. That’s how business works and the fact a bunch of Republicans are howling about it is hilariously hypocritical; these are the people who pass laws making it legal to fire a person for no reason at all.
There isn’t anything new about “cancel culture” - we’ve done it for years. Let’s start with Fatty Arbuckle (accused manslaughter from raping a woman who later died of a ruptured bladder - he was cleared at trial - but was probably guilty). Ingrid Bergman (had an affair with a director while married. Divorced husband and married director). Mel Gibson (anti-semitic comments and general public offensiveness). Each of them saw their careers take a tumble over their offscreen activities. You have the band formerly known as The Dixie Chicks - whose big crime was supporting a Democrat - and while they didn’t have their contract pulled, they nearly disappeared. And each of them was a much bigger star with much bigger draw power than Ms. Carano.
Its the game you play. And if you are signing a contract with a studio like Disney, there are behavior clauses in your contract and you should know better.
It’s starting to look like maybe she had already lined up the new project, and maybe wanted some press for it. Her actions only give her cred for the deplorables that will be the target audience for the new project, after all. And, maybe it will work out for her!
I’d argue there’s a third option. Sure, never apologize for something you don’t mean. I’m against lying in general, and try my best not to do it.
But you can still apologize for the part you didn’t intend. You can say stuff like “I didn’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings,” which is still what I would call an apology. It’s an apology for how your message was taken, rather than what you meant.
I’d also argue that, if you don’t pick this option, then the other person is free to think you intended offense or at least that you don’t care they’re offended. You give up the chance to inform them otherwise.
It’s essentially someone misinterpreting you, and then you refuse to clarify, which leaves them thinking they interpreted you correctly. If you care, you’d better clarify.
She clearly didn’t care, and her lack of an apology when it would be in her best interest to do so proves it, IMO. Especially since she did apologize for the trans thing.
Or you know and are willing to make the sacrifice for what you think is a principled stand. Which is fine. In this case her principles are shit, but she may actually believe in them as something worth tanking a career over.
Those sorts of “apologies”, which amount to “sorry that you were offended” should be rightfully rejected as apologies. That is not what they are. They are instead stating very clearly the belief that they did nothing wrong, and that is better left unsaid.
When one believes that one made a mistake, then you take the hit, and clearly state what you did wrong and your intent to make up for what you did. If you are faking it for the sake of your career, then fake the sincerity well, which “I didn’t mean to cause offense by saying [derogatory thing]” is NOT. But “apologizing” for what you honestly believe is someone else’s irrationality (Clearly actually thinking “I’m sorry that you are a thin skinned hypersensitive nut job”) is a very bad choice.
I was going to post the same thing. I’ve read and watched a number of people who concluded the opposite. After all, there were no signs of rape; the charge was based on an accusation without evidence.
