Exactly. Although you forgot the “Trump 2020” facemasks.
There’s just no way it’s a both sides thing. Im a British guy who has voted for the left, center, and right wing parties at one time or another in the UK. I follow the politics and elections of several countries.
There’s nothing to compare to US right wing media’s and Republican bubble right now.
Tens of millions of Republicans still believe the election was stolen…based on what? The more crazy side believe (and get angry about) Democrats drinking the blood of children, but even more sober types right now are blaming the texas power outages on AOC and the green new deal because that’s what Carlson told them to believe.
It’s so disgusting and I don’t know where it will end. I mean the attack on the capitol was inconceivable a few years ago, but it happened, and we’re not done yet.
This thread seems to have gone for a long, aimless walk, and is currently very far from its starting place.
Nonetheless, here’s an interesting article about the original topic of the thread:
It’s not about Gina Carano, but it is most definitely about “cancel culture.”
So will you join us in demanding a $15 minimum wage, protecting the right of labor to organize, creating a wealth tax, forgiving student debt, and the construction of low income housing? Or is the only bit you took from the article “cancel culture bad”?
^ This. ( Sir or Madam, you’ve earned your coffee this morning! )
Join you? I’ve supported most of those things for probably more years than you’ve been alive (not bragging, but hey, I’m old). And I actively work, not just demand online, for the right of labor to organize in my state.
Then we likely agree. On the whole, I am 100% behind the message of someone like Bernie Sanders when he points out that economic issues are at the root of much of the racial divide in this country, and think MLK reaching out to poor southern whites as part of the Poor People’s Campaign was a stroke of genius (and if I were more conspiracy-minded I’d find it very convenient that he was assassinated as soon as he took that approach…)
I agree that at the end of the day, we win this fight when poor or even middle class whites realize that the Republicans are not acting in their best interest, and that they have much more in common with poor blacks than with the rich who the Republicans actually serve.
To reach that end, you are right - it IS counterproductive to demonize or fire anyone who wears a MAGA hat. That is how you embitter them, and embittered people become entrenched in their views of persecution which the Republicans are all too eager to peddle.
At the same time, Gina Carano is not some lower class white lady struggling to make ends meet. She is part of the “coastal elites” the right is so eager to decry, and I don’t shed a tear to see her lose her job.
On the third hand… the reality of the situation may not be as important as the optics, in this case. She may deserve to lose her job, she may not at all be representative of this downtrodden class we are talking about here, but she is a wonderful piece of propaganda for the Fox News Right.
A complex issue to be sure.
A right wing dummy is fired for her opinions.
A porn actress is fired for her successful screen performances.
Taco bell needs someone suitable for a menial job.
Disney needs a proven screen appeal actress.
Millions of people like to watch Mandalorian while eating Taco Bell.
Too bad the two employers didn’t make a trade.
At least now she has found a home in which she is comfortable, pumping out right-wing adgit prop for Daily Wire.
Reverend Will Campbell worked for members of the Klu Klux Klan. So what.
Would he have hired them to work at his church? I think not.
I have worked for members of the Trump Administration. Many people thought I should have refused to do so. For the most part, those people were thinking hypothetically, having no reasonable expectation of being faced with that choice themselves. I was hoping not to be faced with the choice myself, but I didn’t even make it through the transition before I got the first request.
I did it because refusing clients damages my business reputation - people do not want to take the time and effort to refer me if I might turn down their client, it embarrasses them- also, sometimes I overhear cool stuff while working for corrupt clients.
But my business is an extension of me. I am allowed to control the public image of my company, and I have the right to expect my employees not to publicly damage that image
I don’t think that Trump supporters that went Washington DC because they they thought Joe Biden won the election are demons or subhuman. But I do think they are, each and every one of them, horrible people. Horrible human beings that are driven by emotion rather than facts with abysmally defective critical thinking skills. And I don’t hire such people.
Besides, the attack on the Capitol was more than an attack on a building, on Congress, on our country.
It was an attack on me. It was an attempt to negate my vote by force. It was an assault on my most basic civil right, the right to cast a vote that counts.
It would give me great satisfaction if every single person that attacked my civil rights, every person that set foot at that rally or participated in the events on January 6th, never worked for a liberal owned company again.
They can work for conservative companies. That’s means they’ll be mining coal or plucking chickens because that’s what all the jobs at conservative companies look like, but I’m totally good with that.*
If you want to talk about “cancel culture”, let’s talk about Andrew McCabe, Alexander Vindman and every other person Donald Trump fired and tried to destroy because he wouldn’t be part of his corruption.
*Yes, I know that there are jobs at conservative companies that don’t involve coal or chickens. But this is the BBQ Pit, guys. It’s an insult, not market research.
If, for example, I yell YOU’RE POOR - YOUR UGLY BROKE ASS DONT HAVE A DIME at someone , please do not respond with a dozen posts fact checking my information and asking me why I would say such a thing when the guy has a quarter under his sofa cushion and twenty buck in the bank.
How can you call them poor when they just spent hundreds of dollars on “Brain Force Plus”?
It’s all good. I actually think Ann’s a good writer most of the time as well and I’d read her book. I’m not sure if I’m brave enough to hit the farmer’s market with her though.
Still think you’d be leading, huh ? 
No! Aside from labor being able to organize. I agree with freedom of association, do you?
So, remember: our baseline is a sitting Republican president who thought that Obama was the beneficiary of a plot to illegally make him president that started literally before he was born.
This is what Sam thinks is equivalent of that:
Nuclear power is, in fact, dangerous. Unlike windmills, it does actually cause cancer. It’s not an unmanageable risk, but it’s not irrational to think that the risk is not worth it. I agree that we need to look at nuke power if we want to fight climate change, but disagreeing with a risk assessment is not crazy or delusional. At the very worst, its simply wrong.
And, of course, big lolz that this is “the most dangerous misinformation of your life.” It’s only dangerous, because we desperately need this technology to fend off climate change. Which the Republican party continues to insist is not real, or not a serious threat. Which, obviously, is the more dangerous lie - if Republicans hadn’t been consistently dishonest about his going back decades, we wouldn’t need nuclear power as bad as we do now.
And how well is support for Communism represented in elected Democratic leaders? What’s the highest post held by an elected Communist in the US? What’s the membership of the American Communist Party these days?
Even if you were right about the minimum wage (you aren’t) this is, at worst, general ignorance of a complicated science. “I’d like to have more money in my paycheck,” is an eminently rational position, and it’s not crazy or even especially ignorant to not understand the possible knock-on effects that would have on the wider economy. Most people are not economists, and the economists are not all in agreement on the subject.
Again, contrast with, “A liberal cabal in 1961 falsified hospital records so that a mixed-race infant with a funny name would someday be president.”
Yes. A wing that is largely marginalized by the mainstream Democratic party. Louis Farrakhan isn’t speaking at the Democratic National Convention.
The guy who argued repeatedly in public that Barrack Obama was a secret Muslim? He got elected President.
No, neither are “UFO nuts.” Reid has said the US has a lot of classified files about UFOs that should be declassified. Which, I’m pretty sure, is true - the first part, at least. Whether they should be declassified is more of an opinion. He’s never claimed that we’ve been visited by aliens, and has explicitly distanced himself from that position. Podesta seems mostly to be in the same place, if a little more exuberant. He’s apparently a big X-Files fan, and has more fun with the idea that Reid seems to, but he’s not advocating anything more radical than Reid: “Here’s a weird thing that’s happened, we should study it.”
Also worth noting that Reid didn’t start with the UFO stuff until after he left office, and Podesta has never held elected office. Trump literally launched his political career with conspiracy theories about Barrack Obama’s birth certificate.
Here’s a list of unarmed black people who have been killed by police, stretching back to 1968.
Vincent “Vinny” M. Belmonte, Patrick Lynn Warren Sr, Andre Maurice Hill, Casey Christopher Goodson Jr, Angelo “AJ” Crooms, Sincere Pierce, Marcellis Stinnette, Jonathan Dwayne Price, Dijon Durand Kizzee, Rayshard Brooks, Carlos Carson, David McAtee, Tony “Tony the Tiger” McDade, George Perry Floyd, Dreasjon “Sean” Reed, Michael Brent Charles Ramos, Daniel T. Prude, Breonna Taylor, Manuel “Mannie” Elijah Ellis, William Howard Green, John Elliot Neville, Atatiana Koquice Jefferson, , Elijah McClain, Ronald Greene, Javier Ambler, Sterling Lapree Higgins, Gregory Lloyd Edwards, Emantic “EJ” Fitzgerald Bradford Jr., Charles “Chop” Roundtree Jr., Chinedu Okobi, Anton Milbert LaRue Black, Botham Shem Jean, Antwon Rose Jr., Saheed Vassell, Stephon Alonzo Clark, Dennis Plowden Jr., Bijan Ghaisar, Aaron Bailey, Charleena Chavon Lyles, Jordan Edwards, Chad Robertson,
Deborah Danner, Alfred Olango, Terence Crutcher, Terrence LeDell Sterling, Korryn Gaines, Joseph Curtis Mann, Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, Bettie “Betty Boo” Jones, Quintonio LeGrier, Corey Lamar Jones, Jamar O’Neal Clark, Jeremy “Bam Bam” McDole, India Kager, Samuel Vincent DuBose, Sandra Bland, Brendon K. Glenn, Freddie Carlos Gray Jr., Walter Lamar Scott, Eric Courtney Harris, Phillip Gregory White, Mya Shawatza Hall, Meagan Hockaday, Tony Terrell Robinson, Jr.Janisha Fonville, Natasha McKenna, Jerame C. Reid, Rumain Brisbon,Tamir Rice, Akai Kareem Gurley, Tanisha N. Anderson, Dante Parker, Ezell Ford, Michael Brown Jr., John Crawford III, Tyree Woodson, Eric Garner, Dontre Hamilton, Victor White III, Gabriella Monique Nevarez, Yvette Smith, McKenzie J. Cochran, Jordan Baker, Andy Lopez, Miriam Iris Carey, Barrington “BJ” Williams, Jonathan Ferrell, Carlos Alcis, Larry Eugene Jackson Jr., Kyam Livingston, Clinton R. Allen, Kimani “KiKi” Gray, Kayla Moore, Jamaal Moore Sr., Johnnie Kamahi Warren, Shelly Marie Frey, Darnisha Diana Harris, Timothy Russell, Malissa Williams, Noel Palanco, Reynaldo Cuevas, Chavis Carter, Alesia Thomas, Shantel Davis, Sharmel T. Edwards, Tamon Robinson, Ervin Lee Jefferson, III, Kendrec McDade, Rekia Boyd, Shereese Francis, Jersey K. Green, Wendell James Allen, Nehemiah Lazar Dillard, Dante’ Lamar Price, Raymond Luther Allen Jr., Manual Levi Loggins Jr., Ramarley Graham, Kenneth Chamberlain Sr., Alonzo Ashley, Derek Williams, Raheim Brown, Jr., Reginald Doucet, Derrick Jones, Danroy “DJ” Henry Jr., Aiyana Mo’Nay Stanley-Jones, Steven Eugene Washington, Aaron Campbell, Kiwane Carrington, Victor Steen, Shem Walker, Oscar Grant III, Tarika Wilson, DeAunta Terrel Farrow, Sean Bell, Kathryn Johnston, Ronald Curtis Madison, James B. Brissette Jr., Henry “Ace” Glover, Timothy Stansbury, Jr., Ousmane Zongo, Alberta Spruill, Kendra Sarie James, Orlando Barlow, Nelson Martinez Mendez, Timothy DeWayne Thomas Jr., Ronald Beasley, Earl Murray, Patrick Moses Dorismond, Prince Carmen Jones Jr., Malcolm Ferguson, LaTanya Haggerty, Margaret LaVerne Mitchell, Amadou Diallo, Tyisha Shenee Miller, Dannette “Strawberry” Daniels, Frankie Ann Perkins, Nicholas Heyward Jr., Mary Mitchell, Yvonne Smallwood, Eleanor Bumpers, Michael Jerome Stewart, Eula Mae Love, Arthur Miller Jr., Randolph Evans, Barry Gene Evans, Rita Lloyd, Henry Dumas.
(Source)
It is, of course, incomplete. Walter Scott’s name is only on it, for example, because the cop who murdered him was caught on video placing a gun near the corpse.
So, go ahead, explain to me how black people not trusting the cops or the DA when they say a particular shooting is justified is anywhere near the President of the USA pushing Birther conspiracy theories, or Marjorie “Jewish Space Lasers” Green.
I have no idea what that is, but given the tripe you’ve pushed in this post so far, I’m certainly not going to take your word as to the contents.
The Story of Stuff is a 20-minute animated documentary about the lifecycle of material goods, which links many modern production and consumption practices to serious environmental problems. Which, y’know, is hardly a nonsensical or “bullshit” position, although some details of the film’s quantitative claims are disputed.
You can watch it here, which I did, and while I think some of the explanations are rather reductive and simplistic, it’s certainly not a bunch of lies and bullshit like Republican conspiracy theories about Obama being a secret Kenyan Muslim Communist and Hillary Clinton’s pedophile pizza-parlor sex ring.
The film does use the phrase “Toxics in, toxics out” (not “equals”) about toxic chemicals in manufactured products, which of course is an accurate summary of the fact that chemicals introduced in the manufacturing process frequently remain present in the manufactured product. And it does complain about the health hazards of some flame retardants used in household goods manufacture. But unsurprisingly, it does not actually contain any such claim as Sam was misleadingly paraphrasing as “That’s why your pillow will give you brain cancer”.
If Sam_Stone seriously thinks that this strongly adversarial but largely factual critique of the downsides of the modern production-consumption economy is really comparable to widespread Republican delusions about “stolen elections” and “Jewish space lasers” and so on, that just illustrates again how much the level of conservative discourse has been degraded by the stupidizing effects of deliberately dishonest right-wing media and propaganda.
Now that Miller has taught me to read your work with a Swiftian mind set, I think I will not make the mistake again.
You might want to get such a list from someone other than “Renee Ater, Public Scholar”. A brief look at those names of allegedly unarmed people killed by police turns up some dubious references, including the shooting of a violent suspect armed with an aluminum baseball bat, which might well be viewed as a weapon, especially if your head is a potential target.
I love that you sat there, Googling each of those names, until you found when that would let you, “Well actually,” the topic of police brutality.
You’re psychic.
I like that.