I doubt you are old enough to be senile so what explains the cognitive deficiency?
I’m sorry that you grew up in some kind of macho sexist gulag, and are also apparently forced to continue to perpetuate the cycle.
No, we did not have locker room conversations or sit on the sidewalk talking about girls’ breasts. Maybe because we were too busy talking to girls, as actual fucking human beings.
I agree with this, actually. And it’s in line with the activists I know and respect. There’s the punitive approach and then there’s restorative justice. I have an activist friend who says, “we don’t trash can people.” I try to use it as a guideline. Now I don’t think restorative justice necessarily precludes this woman getting fired, but I do think it places the emphasis on the impact of her words rather than her character.
You must know it’s because I’m African, right.
I mean, you’ve certainly stanned for the racists who say so, often enough, little Oberst Tintenfisch
You can say that people should be forgiven. But this is a management editorial position.
Were I an Asian-American or gay employee of Conde Nast—a company that already has a poor reputation on racial matters—I would never be able to fully trust that I as an employee and my community’s views on the content of our publication would ever truly be an equal in the mind of my new boss and editor.
And I would personally know dozens of people in the business who deserve a shot at such a prominent job who don’t have that baggage. Why should I give this tainted person a chance when so many others should get a chance too?
And were I an Asian-American or gay reader I would have the same ongoing suspicions. And those suspicions would extend to Conde Nast as a whole.
Nobody has a right to a managerial position. That’s the kind of thing that a lot of people quality for and should get a shot at. I don’t really feel like giving people with bigotry baggage the benefit of the doubt that they might have changed when I know so many people who would not need as much benefit of the doubt.
These aren’t jobs for which a one of a kind, unique talent exists. So I don’t feel like we are losing out if people’s sordid pasts disqualify them.
Don’t hide behind the continent of your birth. It’s cowardly. I’m an equal opportunity insulter when it’s demonstrated that one has issues with reading comprehension.
Someone has problems with reading comprehension, but it’s not me. Where was I hiding behind anything?
Because the person was a teen and it happened a decade ago and how many jobs must one be fired from before the social justice debt is paid? Are you a proponent of a Chinese style social credit score?
Maybe such a person never will be able to get a managerial position ever. I’m not torn up about that. There are a lot worse lots in life.
If she had said this a few months ago, I’d obviously have different feelings about it. But the reason she didn’t say it a few weeks or months ago is presumably because she realizes now, as a grown woman, she can’t say those kinds of things, and there’s no evidence she even wants to.
The other thing that I find disturbing is the “I never said it” virtue competition. Who cares? My experience is that a lot of people with clean backgrounds are good at image management. That doesn’t mean that they’re necessarily better people. People can have a clean mouth and still be wankers. Some of them are probably working as over-zealous prosecutors withholding exculpatory evidence and police detectives planting drugs on innocent suspects.
Gina Carano and James Damore weren’t managers when they decided to stick their own brains down their throats but were I a co-worker at their places of employment I would never trust them after seeing what they had said. And I would want my employer to make sure I didn’t have to work with them. Maybe someday somehow they might be rehabilitated, but frankly I don’t really give a fuck if they never are.
The person who said I likely did as a debate point, I guess?
It was brought up as a response, you tiresome motherfucker. Take your “disturbing” and your comparisons to dirty cops, dust them in chili powder, and cram them up your ass.
Preferably sideways.
You might want to see a psychiatrist.
You might want to go get fucked by a cactus.
Do you speak from experience?
<great discourse we’ve got goin’ on here, eh?>
I have shoved more than one metaphoric cactus up some idiot or other, here in the Pit. You’re hardly unique. Hurts, I know, you thought we had something special…
And hey, asshole? You’re not as witty as you seem to think you are.
Never claimed to be witty, but your fixation with shoving things into people’s rectums is a little disturbing.
Anyhoo…
All this gnashing of teeth is predicated on the assumption that she isn’t a racist. The assumption that who she is now is different from who she was ten years ago is just an assumption. If someone tells me they hate Asians, I’m going to believe them.
If I were a staff member on that magazine I’d be concerned. Would I be treated fairly? It’s so easy to say that there won’t be bias, but the reality is, even if she isn’t outright grossly racist, there is probably still some bias there. What about the Asian staff on the magazine? Is it fair to expect them to work under someone with bias against them? Is it fair to expect them to simply ignore the hateful things their boss said?
More concerning for the higher ups (probably) is that if anyone accused her of anti-Asian bias in her job, they would be in a difficult position to defend such an accusation. And it isn’t as though they can pretend to be surprised.
Not really; it’s predicated on the assumption that it’s unreasonable to use a comment or two from someone’s distant past against them now, especially when they’ve already apologized for said comments, disavowed them, and tried to delete them, only to have them dug up and used against her again. It’s unreasonable. It’s unfair to refuse to let someone move on from their past. It’s not just. That’s what I am saying. I don’t know why that’s hard to understand.
It is unfair to expect Asian staff to work under her.