Worlde Gonne Mad: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/2608799.stm
This saddens me. Thought I’d bring it up here (in MPSIMS) … England approaches total Sosumi Mentality.
Eleven detentions in nine months? That bugger all compared to some people. And “disrupted her education”? Half an hour after school disrupts her education? I’m sure she would’ve been studying hard in that half an hour otherwise :rolleyes:
Perhaps, and I know this is a crazy proposal, the girl should have tried following the school rules. Gah.
I was always getting detention for leaving my PE kit at home. I am now psychologically scarred and intend to sue The Abbey School, Reading for twenty bajillion pounds.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
And they wonder why no-one wants to be a teacher anymore. Coming soon: pupil sues school, teacher and parents for incarceration in class & bedroom against her will, picking on her, not asking her if she wanted to be born and for being so unfair. Cites trauma and disruption of social life.
I am reasonably hopeful the judge will throw this one right out of court.
I have a solution for her. Kick her out of school altogether.
No more detention. Then she gets all the free time she wants.
Duh!!!
This is very true, unfortunately.
When I moved to the UK I had such high hope of continuing my teaching career - especially with the call for teachers being what it is. It took 2 years to find a school to take me on. Several of the kids were like this gal - eager to blame the wrong people. Of my students, several had being kicked out of class, parents condoning their behaviour, missing more school then attending… All sorts. One even accused teachers of doing things they did not do, just to get her mom ticked off and moan at the school, and a reason to keep her out of school… She would do anything to not come to school.
Some students (like hubby’s nephew) misbehave on purpose just to be kicked out of school. It’s what they want. They don’t care about school. Playing video games, drugs, or hanging out with friends is all they care about. Familial obligations (occasionally) played a part, but not often. Just any excuse they could come up with to avoid school.
It is very frustrating. I love teaching, but dealing with this kind of behaviour… it takes a saint to put up with it, or a somone to is just there for the paycheck and doesn’t care, to teach these days… Very sad…
I’m with Fran. I’m going to sue my high school, too. I had detention a zillion times, because I’m a perenially tardy person. So I was a minute late, that means I have to sit around for half an hour after school? I’m severly scarred for life!
We have places for kids that behave like that in schools, at presents there are 77000 of them in jail, and they keep me in work.
If one of them gives you a hard time, just remind yourself, there is a whole department just aching to take them into its care.
Justice might not be swift, but it grinds exceedingly small.
I’m frightened of casdave now.
I’ve had worse. MUCH worse.
The presence in the system of kids who really, absolutly, don’t want to attend school causes a lot of problems. One solution would be to lower the legal dropping out age to, say, 14. Just let 'em go.
But I’d also let them drop back in. Many would probably choose to do so. Eventually they will realize (a) that they need a diploma to get just about any job better then flipping burgers, and (b) that they want something more challenging / better paying then flipping burgers.
Sadly, the we need our kids to stay in school. Dropouts mean more on welfare and less skilled workers. Dropouts will have kids and then they will not go to school either. Then what happened to the country?
I don’t have a solution other than holding parents more accountable for their childrens education.
Roadwalker: What’s the difference between a kid who drops out because they don’t want to be in school and one that flunks a few years of mandatory classes until they’re old enough to drop out? How is the second case doing anything but consuming valuable resources and making school harder for the people who WANT to be there?
As a high school drop out I can honestly say it makes a difference when people actually want to be in class. The school I am at has a majority population of drop outs but is also made up of a number of people who either didn’t get the credits needed to graduate in high school, or who need extra course/want to upgrade marks to get into university.
I am sure I took up a major part of teachers and administrators time with my problems. I was up before the school board so many times I forget the exact number (probably a dozen or so) until they finally gave up on me just before I turned 16 and could drop out.
The thing is my problems weren’t with the school. When I was there it was wonderful. I had decent marks etc… it was the other students I had problems with. And being in a school of about 3000 students I was just another face with others having way worse problems than I did. So I got lost in the shuffle.
But to the OP I personally think that is stupid. When I was there I got the occasional DT but that was warranted (ie elementary talking in class and disrupting it so I had to stay in at recess and the like.) I could sue the schools, but for much better reasons than just getting detention.
You know, I’m just assuming that if a student is in school, he or she will learn. This is probably because I teach at a non-public school where 90% of our students are special ed. There are no classes larger than 14.
Perhaps if all schools were like this?
But think of the cost, Roadwalker. And for some reason the ruling party doesn’t want to put more money into education. What with the Cure-All that is School Vouchers and all.
The problem to me seems to be that the alternative is academic type schooling or drop-out. Why can’t we provide trade based education for those that want it?
Also the girl in question was on the radio recently. I’ve never heard a sweaty pikey before.
And detention is hard? Pah! in my day…
I never found detention hard… but then maybe I was able to realize why it happened and realize it as a just punishment (IE talking in class after repeated times told to be quiet… had to stay in during recess, a whole fifteen minutes, and write out the definition of quiet from the dictionary the whole time.)
Some kids think that no matter if they were doing something wrong, they are in the right for having their ‘lives ruined’ by 30 minutes of having to stay after class.
Y’know, it just occurred to me … I never had a detention all the years I was in school.
So, if this suit succeeds … I’m going to miss out on squillions of pounds in compensation for hideous wrongs I haven’t suffered.
This isn’t fair. The education system has clearly violated my human rights by failing to violate my human rights. I’m going to have to sue someone.