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i personally don’t see the similarities between making a casette copy of a CD i have so i can play it in my car, and making copies of the Eagles Greatest Hits and selling them on the street corner. why? because they’re different. copying a CD that i purchased is not theft.

personally, i think that if you buy a used CD that is still in print, you are stealing. why? because the copyright owner isn’t making a penny off of that sale. granted, someone paid copyright fees for that music when they originally bought it (unless it was a promo cd). you could have a pretty extensive cd collection without paying for any licensing.
my thoughts: copying purchased music is sanctioned by the law as long as you still own the music, and used CD stores are making a buck without paying copyright fees.

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Now, about this mp3 issue…

Is downloading mp3s illegal? Yes. Do the artists care? The answer may surprise you, as it is really a NO. Why? Well, it’s an unfortunate problem these days that the artists only make about a dollar (give or take a little) off of each cd they sell. They rest of it is taken by the record label, producers, etc. So really all most musicians (myself included :)) care about is distribution. Why? Because if people hear their song, hopefully they will come to see the band in concert. Concerts is where bands make all thier money (why do you think most bands tour so much). In fact, the only artist (if you can call him that) that i have heard griping about it is Puff Daddy. Why should he care? Because, he is on the producer/record label side of things, so he actually makes a lot of money off of bands. Want a proof of all this? Go to www.mp3.com and look at all the LEGAL mp3s that bands have put thier themselves. Why would they do that? Distribution. And (because i know someone will ask) why don’t big artists put thier music on mp3.com? Breach of contract, that’s why. If you will remember a while back, Public Enemy posted most (or maybe all, i don’t rightly remember) of thier cd in mp3 format, on thier website, for free! Needless to say, the assholes at the record label didn’t get thier cut (of something that in my opinion isn’t even thiers to begin with) and got mad. So there. :slight_smile:

“Through twilight, darkness and moonrise
My scarlet tears will run
As stolen blood and whispered love
Of fantasies undone”

…and then they moved record labels to Atomic Pop, which distributed Public Enemy’s next album on MP3 format exclusively from their website months before it came on in traditional forms. just to complete the story…

WhiteKnight: Certainly “theft” is emotionally charged. That’s specifically why I carefully chose to use it. People like you seem to think it’s OK if you make as many copies as you want and I use “theft” to make it clear that your actions are violations against the property of the copyright holder. The fact that the copyright holder still has a copy of the original does nothing to justify copyright infringement. To deny someone his rightful payment is the moral equivalent of stealing. For the legal equivalent, see the term “Theft of service,” which, like copyright violation, does not deprive the owner of anything but his rightful fee. You want to split hairs and ignore the issues involved.

They are different, and you are allowed to make personal copies on cassette because they are approved media. MP3 are not approved media.

But when you make a copy on cassette, you aren’t buying a second copy. The money for that second copy would go to the artist. So the artist loses out.

Unless you were appointed to the Supreme Court without my knowledge, your thoughts aren’t law. The law does not sanction making copies. And selling a used CD is not making a copy of it.

False, as indicated here: http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2000/03/24/napster_artists/index.html

Also false, as the above article indicates. Relevant quote: “‘We can make a new model’ – yeah, right,” says the singer [Jonatha Brooke]. “It’s laughable. Those people have no idea how the music business works. Because unless you’re Alanis Morissette or Dave Mathews, you’re not making money on the road. It’s all I can do to break even on tour. And the only reason to tour is to promote the sale of my CD.”

Note that Brooke was one of the first who promoted her album online.

They have that right, just as I have the right to give away my car without payment. But you don’t have to right to decide you can take my car without payment. It’s the same with music. Some artists are happy to have their work available online. Some don’t want it at all. But it’s up to the artist to decide, not you.

I tend to agree with you that the artist should be able to make the final decision on this, not the record company. But I disagree strenously with the contention that any clod that comes around has the right to make that decision.

(BTW, the record company has rights, too. They put up their money so you’d know about the artists and buy their CDs, so it’s not unreasonable that they get a chance to profit from their efforts. You may hate them, but you’d never know about most of your favorite artists if it wasn’t for them.)

“What we have here is failure to communicate.” – Strother Martin, anticipating the Internet.

www.sff.net/people/rothman

So, lying is okay, because the lie is for a good cause?

Words have defined meanings, USE THEM!

If you don’t use the right words, then you are WRONG. If you are wrong, and know it, then you’re a TROLL. If you are a troll, then go the hell away, you’re not wanted.

If you’re not a troll, then use the right words for what you’re trying to say. I don’t care if it’s not emotionally charged enough, do it!

Sorry, but “Theft of Service” is so called because it can deprive the rightful owner of that service of the ability to service a paying customer.

If an ISP has a T1 line (yeah, small ISP) and a cracker breaks into their computer and starts to transfer 100KB/s, that cracker is taking away the company’s ability to server web pages to their users.

If I scan a copyrighted image from a magazine, the owner of that copyright won’t even know it. Their image will still be just the same.

Intellectual property can’t be taken away, that’s why it’s not theft, you can’t deprive the owner of it.

If you have an idea and tell me, do you no longer have the idea?
Stop trolling you freak. And learn to read. There isn’t a K in my username.

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