So far as I know, Ben Carson never molested any of his patients at any time, much less under the guise of medical treatment. I’m not a fan of Carson (except as a neurosurgeon, which he was indisputably good at performing) but he’s nowhere near the same league as Nassar.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let’s back up here. Unless I’m missing part of the story, we’re talking about Michigan STATE, not the University of Michigan.
Carry on.
Oops, sorry.
While it’s good she resigned, it would have been better if she accepted even one iota of responsibility for what happened. Instead, she portrayed herself as the victim of politics. Her only apology was “that a trusted, renowned physician was really such an evil, evil person who inflicted such harm under the guise of medical treatment.” No apology to them for the years when reports were ignored.
Boo fuckin’ hoo.
Yeah, well, if you want to get the privileges and money of high position you need to take responsibility for what happens on your watch. This used to be understood, but apparently it’s no longer part of getting an MBA (if it ever was).
I’m sure Josef Mengele cured a patient or two in his time, too.
Sorry; I was focusing on “loathesome,” and had not yet read the entire thread. While I see no reason to back away from my assessment of him, I regret flippancy of the impulse that inspired me to put him forward as an example.
I’ll endeavor to do better in the future.
I’m down with everything but the descendants. What the hell did they do?
I’ve got no problem with howling mobs in this case. They’re clearly called for.
We can compromise: we can only harass the descendants by constantly asking them “do you want whale sperm with that?”
I’m assuming ongoing civil suits, making sure every dime associated with the complicit folks goes to the survivors (and not the heirs of the complicit).
Sorry, I can’t justify punishing innocent descendants of criminal for the crimes committed by their relatives - who are we, North Korea?
I agree, we should remove any profit from the families of the guilty, but the innocent members should be left untouched and able to make a living.
Nah, we’re just Old Testament.
Does anyone really think the judge was advocating for on-going punishment of the descendants? She was being hyperbolic, and meant to convey that at no point should civil suits against the estate stop simply because it’s been a long time, in the same way we don’t let Nazi thefts discovered today stand because their descendants weren’t the ones that did the thieving. She meant we shouldn’t just cover this up after a few years because it’s so hard to look at and we’d like it to go away.
And, honestly, she just sat through how many full days of those victim statements–4? 6?. I could not have done that. I might have understood that those girls deserved the chance to speak, that they were entitled to do it, and that it wasn’t about me, it was about them, but I am honestly not sure I could have sat at rapt attention, making sure my body language and facial expressions conveyed my focus and my support for day after day after day. She didn’t get to take a break, plug her ears, close her eyes to the horror. She couldn’t cry or smash anything. I would have been a blubbering mess on the floor after the second day. I would not have been strong enough to give those girls what they needed. So I am sure as fuck not going to micromanage how she handled it, or the small measure of emotional release she took from telling him what she thought.
I have been pretty surprised at the MSU reaction since the scandal got national notice. It seemed like a coordinated effort by everybody in their leadership of “not our responsibility, we’re all just victims too, and it’s overblown anyway”. I was more shocked they seemed to be getting away with it. It’s only been in the last week or so the attention turned that way, and escalated to the appropriate levels.
I don’t think the judge was advocating for Old Testiment-style descendant punishment. It was a writer for Sports Illustrated.
The “descendants should be answering motions in the 22nd century” line was from a Sports Illustrated writer, not the judge. The judge didn’t say anything about anyone’s descendants.
Having the Michigan legislature and both U.S. Senators calling for her head probably didn’t help. It was no longer a quiet little Ingham County court case (which it oddly felt like for much of the trial; very little national coverage, IMO).
Perhaps she will learn about responsibility when it hits home that enabling sexual abuse and being a travesty of a human being will cost her…
…apparently not a fucking thing.
What? The secretaries? The janitors? The Football coach? I think we getting a bit ahead of ourselves here. Just because someone was unaware of something doesn’t make them a dope and certainly does not make them evil, or bad at their jobs.
Well, then, it’s just sound and fury. Lord.
But I stand by my claim that the judge was an amazing human being for letting the girls have the chance to speak after having gone unheard. That’s had to be a trauma all it’s own, and she took that on herself.