It would have to be far short of omnimax to be very consistent with the world as we see it however. Less moral or less capable than humans, or simply unaware we are here given that humans have improved ourselves morally and materially without any help from any gods. A “god” that is less powerful and effective than human organizations isn’t much of a god.
More to the point, if a postulated god isn’t omnimax, then the POE doesn’t apply to it and it isn’t the subject of this thread. The POE only exists when people aren’t willing to postulate a less-than-omnimax god; a weak or immoral or ignorant god poses no such problem.
It contradicts the Bible. The omnimax concept is is the result of 2000+ years of fanwanking, like Superman’s constant upwards power creep with more time to work with.
Have you tried to ask? I take you have. Let me tell you about myself. This is very hard me to talk about so please read with a open mind. After I post this I will not come back on this site because it will be to painful to be judged. Here goes…When I was a little girl age 5. I was in a shopping mall with my mom. My father left my mother and my two sisters and my brother. While shopping my dad and his new girlfriend came to shop . What happened was my now stepmother beat my mother in front of my sister and I. I ran too the desk and said please help my mommy is getting beat! My sister who is 5 years older was screaming because my dad was holding her back from helping my mom. God was with me then. Then as I grew older my dad became very rich. That was great but we went without food for days. God was there. Things started to get a little better so I thought… My brother was so hurt by the fact that my dad did not love us that he shot himself in the head on new years. I was 14 he was 17. God was there. As I grew older my uncle molested me. I just forgave him. Now im 38 and I found out my mother who was always there for me has cancer. I only have Jesus . He is the only Father I have known. If I did not have prayer and his comfort I would kill myself. He will answer you get on your knees and cry to him…I promise he will be there.
Which is a crock of shit, BTW.
First, because you can absolutely have “not good” without having “actively evil”, second because even if there only *was *perfect good as far as the eye could see, HOW BAD WOULD THAT BE ? So people wouldn’t acknowledge or even realize you were being “good”, you precious snowflake you. Fuck you. The outcome would still, objectively, be good.
I agree with you, and One should not have to beg a good father for the things they need, and no good father would give anything harmful to it’s child, not deprive them of what they need, the difference is that a human father is not sure, where a supreme being that is all knowing would not have to be told. One could pray to a carrot and say if it got what they wanted ,"carrot answered my prayer, or the carrot said no. It is a matter of faith and for me it means to each it’s own. what ever floats your boat!
Thank you for the religious glurge. That type of promise is rather insulting to those that have prayed and still haven’t gotten an answer because it implies that, unlike you, they haven’t tried hard enough or sincerely enough to get the help that you claim you received. By the way, have you noticed that horrible things just keep happening to you despite all the praying you do? Were there others around you that did nothing to stop these horrible situations from happening to you and, if so, do you praise the fact that they stood by and did nothing?
Well, if I’m perfectly honest I’m not entirely sure at this point whether I was taking a hypothetical deity to task, or the people for whom the facile “there wouldn’t be good if there wasn’t evil, duh” rationalization suffices, or mankind as a whole. I was a bit angrily tanked when I wrote that post.
That said, I do know it wasn’t aimed at pancakes, who merely stated the pants-on-head view existed and was a standard response (which it is) without giving any indication one way or the other of espousing it him/herself. The “you” was at worst a general one.
I did sound like I get my prayers answered sorry.. I was just saying that even though I have been through hell I see that in my case not yours that all of the crap that happened was human choice God did not do it. Now that does not apply in ever case I no. But I still think that God will answer us if we do what he says in regards to prayer. As I type this I realize how stupid I sound but hear me out. Nothing I asked God seemed to get through . Keep in mind im not a christian. But what I did was this. I had one need so I got on my knees asked for forgiveness then I said to God I forgive any person who has harmed me . I also asked that he would forgive me for blaming him. I blamed him more than anyone. And when I was done I felt like a weight had lifted off of me. Like I said Im truly sorry for how my prior comment sounded I did not mean it that way.
I read some of your posts and it is apparent that you know more about God then I. If I offended you with my ignorance I want to say sorry. I just have simple answers that are not helping. I wish I could make sense of this life and God. But I can not . I feel real dumb after seeing how your arguments are much stronger and sensible than mine…
missyzilly, you should be aware that most of the people who post in the Great Debates forum do so because they like to argue, and that anything anyone says here is liable to be challenged.
I have never seen anything like this website! I just see that if I make a comment I need to have my facts in order. People on this site are highly intelligent and I really enjoy learning. I want to see other peoples point of view and learn how to be a better person. I feel like a child in here.:eek:
I read the whole bible only once niv. I just started The King James version. And I just downloaded a program to teach myself Hebrew so I can read the Torah. I have alot to learn. I have been truly humbled by your knowledge . Thank you . I really thought I had a superior understanding of the bible…lololol WOW. I no nothing.
You need to be sufficiently clear in what you are mocking.
While you now appear to claiming that you were attacking your idea of someone else’s deity, it was not clear from your post that you were not actually attacking another poster.
You need to be sufficiently clear in what you are mocking.
While you now appear to claiming that you were attacking your idea of someone else’s deity, it was not clear from your post that you were not actually attacking another poster.[/QUOTE
