God doesn't seem very Godly to me

“Well, Art is Art, isn’t it? Still, on the other hand, water is water. And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now you tell me what you know.”

–Groucho Marx

The second quote is more applicable to my life.

And the Matrix was a pretty lousy movie.

Whatever has name and form are temporary, you dont go around seeking Eternal Tomato, Eternal iiandyiiii etc.

maybe you don’t

And whatever is temporary is unreal from the standpoint of Absolute reality. Relative reality should not be confused as absolute reality.

seems you missed the context of my reply.

And yet you’re the only one who has stuck to your understanding of “I slept well.”. I disagreed, and several others agreed with my interpretation.

It seems like you’re the odd one out, not me.

Actually, I disagree that the disappearing/re-appearing idea is irrational. I think that’s entirely how I’d sum up the idea. My consciousness is defined in terms of my awareness of my self, at least for me. During unconsciousness, I’m not aware of me. So I think it’s entirely accurate to say that, temporarily, my consciousness has “vanished”. It’s like a computer; when it’s on, an operating system is up and running and allows me to interact with it. When the computer is off, that operating system is still within that computer, but I’m no longer able to interact with it. The computer’s “consciousness” vanishes, while the underlying programming allowing it to exist again continues to exist, ready to start up again when it’s turned on.

I would absolutely defend the idea that, when I’m asleep, my consciousness “vanishes”, that it does not exist.

Demonstrably incorrect, since as the cites you provided and apparently have not read yourself state, sleep itself is a matter of moving from state to state. “Deep sleep” does not exist at the beginning or the end of sleep, and therefore does not exist in the middle. It is unreal. Logically speaking, your argument demands the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

My point was limited to the inspiration of the concept of the movie which is Advaita Vedanta.

So you’re backing off your claim that things that are not eternal do not exist?

You are again mistaken here, I said deep sleep is the closest state you can get to the reality, from the stand point of Absolute reality, deep sleep state is unreal too, No one claimed otherwise. Turiya or Transcendental state is the only reality which is also known as Samadhi or Enlightened state in Vedanta.

You never understood my point it seems. Dream is real as long as you are dreaming,
Universe and Objects are real as long as you are in the state of duality. Just as waking from dream makes you negate the “Reality” of Dream Objects. Reality of waking state is negated in deep sleep state and even deep sleep state is negated in state of Turiya or Samadhi.

From standpoint of absolute reality, things which have name and form have no real existence.

Hope there is clarity now.

Lucid dreaming?

Lucid dreaming is special case, But then it only happens in the middle of the dream or end of it. There are dreaming experiences prior to that which is seen as reality.

or perhaps you missed the subtlety to mine.

I’m not mistaken. If something is not real, then it cannot be closer to real than another thing that is unreal. There is no “it” to compare against.

It’s like saying that one invisible apple is more colourful than this other invisible apple. The characteristic applied to it means it is devoid of a quality, not that it has less of a quality.

If you want to say that “deep sleep” is the closest you can get to reality, from whatever standpoint you’d like, you cannot apply “unreal” to it. You should choose a different word, one that could actually work that way.

Edit: Just noticed you’ve made a few errors with the quote tags there. Let me try again responding to the whole of your post.

Initiation

A lucid dream can begin in one of many ways. A dream-initiated lucid dream (D.I.L.D.) starts as a normal dream, and the dreamer eventually concludes it is a dream. A wake-initiated lucid dream (W.I.L.D.) occurs when the dreamer goes from a normal waking state directly into a dream state, with no apparent lapse in consciousness. The wake-initiated lucid dream occurs when the sleeper enters REM sleep with unbroken self-awareness directly from the waking state.[29]

There are different forms of reality. There is objective reality, relative reality and absolute reality. I posted about this in detail in earlier pages. Please check it out.

Special case? Special pleading.

“The difference between deep sleep and samadhi - super consciousness - is that in deep sleep there is the veil of ignorance, and in samadhi this veil is removed.”

Actually, I disagree with you when it comes to both sleeping and eating. If I say “I ate well.”, it tends to mean “I feel full and am happy now.” I’ve already given you what I mean when it comes to sleeping. Playing - eh, it could go both ways, really. If I’m playing football and I say “I played well”, I’d be meaning that I’d given a good performance. But it might mean that I was at that point feeling elated, well-exercised, or simply full of adrenaline, all current things.

Why? It seems manifestly true to me. My “I” is what I call my consciousness. I don’t have that when I’m asleep. Logically, it is not there. In this case because, I would argue, it’s an emergent property from processes which continue but which are not by themselves my consciousness.

As i already pointed out in my previous post. Lucid dreaming has normal dreaming prior to it, It is only in the middle or end of dreaming you realize it is dream.Not from beginning.So even in Lucid dreaming , substantial part of your dream is reality for you.