God doesn't seem very Godly to me

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I agree with you. However, I’m going to play “devil’s advocate” (errr) here and defend the Judeo-Christian mythology just a bit…

The point is that God created Adam and Eve with free will. What’s the point of creation if there is no free will? It’s like a computer program that just does the same thing over and over. Boring.
And he didn’t know that they would fail. They could have just done as he asked. It wasn’t a particularly difficult demand.

Of course he knew they would fail, he is omniscient after all. At the instant of creation he knew everything that would ever be.
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They didn’t know right from wrong. If you had children, would you place the in a room with some toys and a big, shiny pistol and tell them the pistol is very, very special and will do magical things, but they mustn’t play with it while you are gone…then leave the room for a few hours? The kids have got free will, so why not let them use their best judgement?

You have a really silly idea of what that is all about.

No, I don’t think so. I think worshiping something while at the same time declaring that we cannot possibly know what the thing we are worshiping needs, wants or thinks is about the silliest concept man can possibly come up with.

I believe “God” is the shared life energy coursing through all of us, the shared humanity and life force that propels life forward. As we advance, our understanding of ourselves and our surrounding world advances as well; so the ways in which we come to understand and describe this innate force naturally will advance.

I know what life is.
I know what energy is.
What is “life energy”, how is it detected, and by what conduit do we share it?

I get it. Like I said, as we advance, the ways in which we understand and describe this force advance. I’m not saying we’ve advanced to the point where we have uncovered and undersstand all of life’s mysteries but we certainly do a better job today than in the past. The term “life energy” is an admittedly shabby and inadequate term for one of those mysteries on which we are making progress in understanding. It used to be known and defined only by religious terms and understanding. As we progress, we see that science and religion are really much more closely related than we thought long ago.

Understand this “force”? Shouldn’t we first see if this “force” even exists before we start trying to understand it?

Actually, the more we understand the less we need of concepts like “life force.” As we assemble more and more complex living things from basic components, this “life energy” is going to get less and less believable.

If there is life energy, most of it is expended in violence against other life.

But that creates black energy. Besides it’s only red energy that is expended.

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I’m a left-wing Christian.

About some of the Old Testament laws: I maintain that it was more effective for God to say, “Don’t eat such and such a kind of meat because it’ll make you unclean” than to say, “It’ll give you the shits” or something. When you tell your child not to stick their heads out of the school bus windows lest they catch it on a stop sign and get their head chopped off, you know that it’s far more likely that they’ll die from a serious concussion. But “head chopped off” is a more visceral image.

Re the Old Testament laws banning homosexuality: God wanted the Israelite people to grow fruitful and multiply. If people were spending so much time having sex with their own gender and not doing hetero sex, it would make it far harder to accomplish that goal. (“Men don’t wanna deal with women; they’re crazy. Women don’t wanna deal with men; they’re pigs. At least doing it with your own gender, you know what they like.”)

Re the Adam and Eve story: Metaphorical, even mythological, and not intended to be taken literally. An easy way to explain “Where did we come from?” and “Why is humanity important?” to a species unwilling or unready to accept the idea that we evolved from apes. Noah’s ark: The origin story, mark 2. I’d venture to guess that Genesis becomes more historical than mythological when we start following the story of Abraham.

I don’t believe God would punish people with Hell who never had the opportunity to hear the word of Jesus Christ. I’d bet that Hell, if it even exists, is reserved for those who have heard, and have chosen to reject God. All the same, I am not in favor of the “hellfire and brimstone” style of preaching. I don’t think Christians should be in the business of trying to frighten people into believing.

And I absolutely DO NOT believe that non-Christians are inherently worse than I am, or that they’re bad people.

You might want to get on your knees and ask (a) Mod to unpick your quote there - your reply is mostly inside the quote box and is really confusing to follow.

As for me - I assume that IF there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, eternal Creator God, the likelihood of us weak, ignorant mortals being able to gain even the most basic grasp of what He/She/It/They is up to is exceedingly tiny. So either you have to assume that God knows what He/She/It/They is doing and therefore it’s all in hand and there’s nothing we can do about it, or that He/She/It/They doesn’t and there’s still nothing we can do about it.

So eat the damn strawberry.

That might be the current theory, but in Genesis god clearly wasn’t omniscient (except relative to humans).

“worship” is not a necessary component of a belief system.

To be fair isn’t “Dark Energy” just a bull shit term physicists came up with to make the math work for space-time-gravitational-forces? (Or something to that effect.)

How do you know if the people you listed have never had demon enter them?

Screw that; if you’re right, we should stop regular-style preachers right now! Think of all the folks who were doing just fine before getting punished for rejecting claims no missionary had to relay! Why, stamping out that religion is the only sure way to save countless souls from a hell reserved for those who’ve heard of it!

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The gods of the Disc have never bothered much about judging the souls of the dead, and so people only go to hell if that’s where they believe, in their deepest heart, that they deserve to go. Which they won’t do if they don’t know about it. This explains why it is so important to shoot missionaries on sight.
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From Eric.

Alrighty then.