God forgive me, women just aren't funny.

Sorry, Alice. I looked up your girl, and she isn’t horrible, but she didn’t make me laugh. I saw how her humor was ‘good’, but I don’t find her funny.

But, I do want to stress that I find some women very funny. My best friend makes me laugh. Some female posters on this board make me laugh till my side hurts.

No, It’s stand up comedy specifically that I think it all goes wrong for women.

I loved the Hitchen’s link that Clockwork posted…he mentioned something I think is worth mentioning. Women clearly have great senses of humor. We all laugh at funny MALE comedians all the time. So, it’s not a question of rather or not we have the wit and intellect to appreciate good humor. It is just a matter of…I don’t know. I don’t know why usually female comedians don’t make me laugh. I don’t buy Hitchens’ EP explanation, either.

Nzinga, I like you. You’re smart and seem like a nice person. On this, you’re completely wrong. Well, not completely… see below. Hitchens was wrong. But not completely, see below.

As you might recall I’m scraping along the lower rungs of standup. Just started 18 months ago, but I’ve gotten all over Toronto. I know a lot of really, really funny female standup comics on the Toronto scene. Hilariously funny. And elsewhere too; I did a show in San Jose and the headliner was a Bay Area comedienne and I was crying with laughter. I’m seeing the up and coming talent right here on the ground in a big comedy market and I am telling you, flat out, that there are screamingly funny female comics out there. Debra DiGiovanni is funny and she is - and I am saying this absolutely dead straight - not one of the five funniest female comics I have seen just in Toronto. If there is a difference in average funniness between female and male comics I do not see it. There are MORE male comics. They are not funnier, on average.

But women just don’t get the breaks. I know that sounds apologetic but it’s true. Men try and try and very occasionally one will get a break. Women almost never do; they simply cannot break through in standup, with maybe one exception every few years. (I think Ellen DeGeneres is one of the best of all time, YMMV.) I know how that sounds but you have to believe me, as a guy out there in the comedy bushes several times a week, that funny female comics are out there. You don’t get a chance to see them.

The comics you become aware of in popular media, the really successful ones, are a tiny part of the comedy universe and they are not, truth be told, perfectly coincidental with the set of the funniest comics out there. I’d certainly agree the absolute elite are the funniest - Louis C.K. is the funniest man in the business today - but a lot of the comics you see are out there because they’re just better at marketing, worked harder, hit a market segment at the right time, or just got the breaks. Dane Cook is not one of the thousand funniest standups in the business, but he’s one of the richest because he’s got a marketing approach that works for him. Russell Peters is funny but I can effortlessly name 25 funnier comics you can see for ten bucks in Toronto any week you want to come up here; Russell hit the big time because he got breaks at exactly the point that the market needed a comic with his point of view. (Note: I sure as hell am not suggesting I am funnier than any of these people.) And some of the folks funnier than those guys are women.

Why, precisely, women are not given the same chances to do big time comedy I cannot really explain to you.

Of course, everyone has their thing, and it may be that you are simply not predispositioned to find women funny. Nothing wrong with that. I don’t find battle-of-the-sexes jokes funny, but most people seem to think they’re a scream. That’s just me, and there’s nothing wrong with that, but if a battle-of-the-sexes comedian’s making the whole room howl except me I bow to his skill.

Part of this - actually, part of both issues here, why women don’t get breaks and why you don’t like them - is that much of an audience’s reaction to a comic is based on the legitimacy they place in the comic. If you would allow me to indulge myself to explain, your willingness to buy into the comic’s joke is proportional to the trust you have that the comic will make you laugh.

If you load up a Louis C.K. show on Netflix and watch Louis do his thing, he will do stuff that a no-name comic simply could not do. Louis will go (to me) incredible lengths of time without actually delivering a punchline, and for 2-3 minutes he might just do setup, with only the most mildly funny of punchlines.

If I got on stage and did that I’d be hated, even if I told the same jokes. I could never, ever go two minutes without telling a joke, because no large audience knows me and can trust that I will bring the house down at the end of a long setup. Even if I end a 3-minute setup with jokes of absolutely Grade-A caliber, the audience will have turned against me and won’t laugh (much.) Even if my delivery was just as good (which it’s not, but bear with me here.) The thing is that Louis C.K. can go three minutes without telling a really Grade A punchline because you trust him to do that. The audience has every expectation that waiting three minutes is worth it, because there will be a huge payoff, because they know Louis is really funny. They know there’s a reason you pay $70 to see him rather than seeing him at an open mic night. They know Louis is going to end that long setup with hysterically funny jokes, so they’re willing to wait. It’s a very participative, interactive art form.

Other factors besides fame and reputation come into play as well - how friendly a comic looks, whether you identify with him, whether you are attracted to them (Dane Cook gets laughs this way) whether they say things that you agree with, and so on. Much of the reason you laugh at people is because you have decided you want to laugh at them. It is as important for a comic to make you want to laugh at them with non-joke signals as it is to tell jokes. If the comic can get you on his or her side, you’ll laugh. You will forgive and overlook their errors. Youll find humor in everything they do. If they repulse you, the laughs will be extremely hard to come by. You will be unforgiving. You’ll try to see through the facade instead of suspending your disbelief.

Female comics are always working against the assumption that they aren’t funny. There’s a lot of reasons for that, but there it is. And if you have assumed they are not funny, you won’t find them funny.

And again, that’s really quite okay. If it’s not your thing it is not your thing. People think Bill Hicks was super hilarious; his stuff leaves me cold. I know he was a genius, though, because he sure made other people laugh. Or as one comedian told me once (himself pretty successful) “I don’t find Jerry Seinfeld funny. But I’ve heard of him, and he’s never heard of me.”

Almost twenty years ago now, I went to an open mic night with a female acquaintance. There was a girl there I found really funny, or at least one of her jokes got me. I still remember it.

My friend didn’t like her. I’m sitting there laughing, and she’s, “No, she’s not funny.”

I don’t know what it is. I see male comics that think they’re funny, and other comics even will crack up at them, and I’m thinking, “Is that all you’ve got?” I don’t hate Vince Vaughn, but he strikes me as someone whose friends think he’s funny, whose got his sexuality tied up in, “I’m a funny guy,” and he’s really not that funny to me.

Taste is variable.

Wow. Rickjay, that was one hell of a post. Thank you. I honestly appreciate that you took the time to write that. One thing that hit the nail on the head for sure is the idea that I’m not giving them a chance. Because you are sooo right about me over analyzing them in a way that I bet I’m not doing to their male counterparts. When I looked at alice in wonderland’s suggestion, I actually caught myself doing it. I was only seeing Digiovanni in tiny 60 second clips, and I felt myself trying to see if she was trying too hard, or forcing it or…I guess I just wasn’t really buying into it. You have raised some very good points, my friend.

I like Amy Schumer quite a bit. But I could probably name 20 male comics I like better.

One theme I have heard over and over again by successful and good comics is how damaged most of them are (some exceptions, Brian Regan comes to mind). Most can prove how damaged they are. Maybe that damage manifests differently in women.

Of those mentioned earlier, I did like Ellen’s stand up in her prime. Rosanne always left me cold on stage but I loved her TV show. I liked Paula Poundstone’s earlier work. I know I’ve seen Maria Bamford but I can honestly say it left no impression on me.

Hmm…you should have the thread title changed, then :slight_smile: Cuz then I’d kind of agree or at least nod my head silently. But otherwise I’d say “HI DO U KNO TINA FEY???”

WANDA SYKES!!!

Whether it’s standup or her guest starring roles on Curb Your Enthusiasm, homegirl just cracks my shit up. From a comedy acting perspective, Julia Louis-Dreyfus has always been underrated for her work in Seinfeld.

On the hip hop tip, I have mad love for MC Lyte. My all time favorite female MC, and Latifah is not too far behind.

I think RickJay is right about women not getting the breaks. I know personally as many funny women as funny men - I imagine if all things were equal, the funny gene is equally distributed among the genders, but for any number of reasons, women don’t get to the level of men.

There are tons more men in comedy than women and, frankly, quite a lot of them aren’t that funny either.

Women are getting this double-edged sexism thing there, though. If you’re bad at stand-up it’s because you’re not doing it like the men, and if you ARE doing it like the men, then you come across as dykey (or Jewish), so either way you’re screwed.

It’s like when women couldn’t win in the workplace. If they were cool-headed and focused then they were “barracudas” and if they were warm and fuzzy they were “ditzy” and not serious. I had a boss who nearly had a nervous breakdown about whether to put family pictures up (“cares more about her family than the job”–they don’t say that about men who put up family pictures) or not to put up family pictures (“cold stone bitch”).

Obviously they’re still getting this in the stand-up comedy field.

Also, if they do jokes that resonate with the women in their audience they might lose the men, but if they do routines aimed toward the men they may lose the women (not interested) AND the men (too dykey). Male comics don’t have that problem, mainly because they don’t care about that problem.

There are lots of funny women, mostly not in stand-up. I think Ellen DeGeneris is pretty funny. I never saw any of her stand-up except an old clip of when she was on Johnny Carson, and she was way funny. I also saw an old clip of Jay Leno on Carson–when he was very young–and he wasn’t funny at all–he died up there.

I have gone to open-mike night and frankly, the women and the men left me equally cold, but it seemed to be more of a delivery problem or a timing glitch in the case of all the comics. They were all trying to say funny things. None of them were trying to say things funny.

The women who make me laugh tend to be doing routines that probably wouldn’t make a guy laugh, like Kathleen Madigan. Example: Her friends send Christmas cards with pictures of their husbands and children. What should she put on hers? Pictures of her sleeping late and having extra money?

Well of course when you compare them to men, women aren’t really that good at anything.

See, I have the opposite problem. I usually find male comics unfunny but I can’t get enough of people like Kathleen Madigan, Wanda Sykes or Ellen DeGeneres.

Do yourself a favor and check out Tig Notaro, Jen Kirkman, and Chelsea Peretti. All hilarious comedians that also happen to have vaginas.

I think stand-up comedy is just hard-period. Many otherwise funny comedians just bomb when it comes to stand-up gigs. A truly funny stand up comedian is hard to come by; and there are certainly fewer women doing stand up than men. So it would stand to reason that finding a truly funny female stand up comedian would be quite a bit more difficult than finding a truly-funny male counterpart. But I think funny is funny.

Reported for douchiness. Specifically, the don’t be a stupid jerk rule.

In what way?

If I remember her correctly, from the 80s/90s, she used to be *almost *funny, but never quite made it. I kept getting ready to laugh when she was setting something up, but, it rarely happened. She seemed to get a lot of adulation, tho.
Maybe she got a new writer, or she revamped her stuff.

Kathleen Madigan IMO has some solid gold material.

Some bootleg KM stuff

Girl, you are funny. Like dry white wine. Best taken with a smirk. (Forget the lime; the acid’s already in there.)
Don’t throw us under a bus. Embrace your resentment and plans for revenge.
If you don’t have a plan…come sit by me.

Ahahahahaha! Hee. Hee.

Knock it off.

It’s a completely meaningless statement—what is “average” when it comes to funny, anyway?—and as RickJay’s excellent post shows, it’s more about Carolla’s prejudices than any inherent quality of women.

There are a lot of women comedians I like. There are probably more men in my favorites list than women, but that’s not because women aren’t funny.