Great Og Almighty, you’re serious?
Speak for yourself, asswipe. “We” are most certainly not.
Yup.
Now you can go back and read the discussion I’ve been having with UncleBeer, which you apparently didn’t do before you disagreed with him over what he said in it. 
I shoulda known that about anyone who’d go out with Lucinda. Anyway, I’m consoled.
Daniel
Precisely. And just as precisely, it is stupid to equate every tax-paying American citizen as a “supporter of torture,” simply because certain persons in out government are apparently sanctioning it at Gitmo right now.
Just because I’m legally obligated to give a portion of my salary to the government and they happen to spend it for something of which I disapprove does not make me a supporter of that something. Political protest is enshrined upon this bulwark.
You keep throwing that change-up and somebody’s gonna hit it outta the fuckin’ park.
You know who absolutely disgusts me? People who lack the reading comprehension my 7 month old has, people whose typing fingers are powered by their jerking knees. My post, bolded for the idiots in the audience :
Hey puddin, read your own fucking cite you moron:
If they are a spy or a saboteur, they can be executed by the terms of the GC. CAN BE. You posted a cite that proves my point, shit for brains.
Except I have just demonstrated that it is YOU who knows fuck all about the subject.
How? By pointing out the truth?
So what’s your beef with me? Pointing out that some of the Gimo captives could have been shot on the battlefield by the terms of the GC? Or pointing out that they actually weren’t? What’s more abusive, a bullet in the back of the head or being put in prison? Oh yea, and when replying, don’t forget to expound upon how my personal opinion ( “I think that these men should have been processed through the legal system a long time ago”-remember? I bolded it just above) makes me a “disgusting, know-nothing, murderous savage.”
Mhendo and DtC, you make a fair point, and nothing would justify putting a bullet in the back of any prisoner’s head now, but some of the Gitmo prisoners were captured while committing or attempting to commit acts of sabotage as defined by the GC, and we would have been within our rights to execute them. We didn’t, despite the accusations of Nazihood that some people like to make. My point is that if someone wants to demand that the GC apply to the prisoners at Gitmo (a fairly reasonable request, IMHO), then all of the provisions of the GC should be applied across the board. Would either of you care to speculate on the howls of outrage that would erupt from the Left if some of these terrorists were executed when caught red handed, however?
cite?
May I ask that we out a hold on that discussion here and take up again in GD perhaps next week? I’m genuinely interested in exploring it further in a better venue and hopefully with greater participation. I’m heading out of town for weekend in just a few short hours and won’t be able to participate until Monday at the earliest. (And maybe another topic we could take a look at some time is the place where all this started - “traditional American values” - what are they and do they have any meaning outside of political rhetoric?)
Sure it does.
Again, a definition of support is “To provide for or maintain, by supplying with money or necessities”. There’s no question that you (and I, and all other citizens) have provided the money that is necessary for our government to do the bad things that it does, including torture.
Therefore, we’re supporters of torture.
Now, you may not be a willing supporter of torture, but you’re a supporter none-the-less. Sucks, huh? 
Make you a little angry? :mad: Then do whatever you can to stop being an unwilling supporter of torture.
I will extend you the courtesy of assuming you would be howling right there with us. If I am wrong, I have overestimated you.
Deal!
No. You don’t deserve one. You’re a fucking idiot.
Go back and read page two of this thread where Diogenes provided a citation when you asked for one previously. Christ.
Cite? Who in Gitmo has been charged with acts of sabotage? What is the evidence that any of them were any sort of enemy combatants and how do we tell them from the innocent civilians? What sort of process should be used for figuring out which prisoners (if any) are actual combatants and which ones are not and when should this process begin? How long is it acceptable hold these prisoners without making an attempt to make these determinations and how is it justified to use torture and interrogation tactics which violate the GC BEFORE any determination is made as to the status of individual prisoners?
Cool. And thanks.
Well then, seeing as how you’re uninterested in making your own case, would you terribly mind getting the fuck out of the thread? Thanks.
Page 2, idiot. Did you already forget the cites I gave you yesterday?
Yes, a hearing needs to be held by a tribunal. But Bush could appoint said tribunal. He is competent to do so, being President. :rolleyes:
If tribunal is held, and they are determined not to be POW, but War Criminals or similar- then they do NOT have to be tried under the normal civil justice system. Something along the lines of a Military Court Martial is legal- both under International Law, and according to SCOTUS. In other words- it COULD be: Tribunal hearing, Military trial, then execution. And the execution could be a pistol to the back of the head.
This has been posted before, by me, in this very thread. Please read the thread before posting.
Probably, but I wouldn’t be screaming “It’s against the Geneva Convention!”
Well, sure, widespread celebration and management of rape isn’t like those other things.
Um, that’s been done. Been done for years now. And no one cares. No one holds anyone accountable. Americans doggedly refuse to seriously look at what’s being done in their name. If calling them out on what’s going on, pointing out who this puts us in the company of, then why not?