I said exactly the opposite, fool.
What you fail to grasp, is even if there are institutions that do (and I would love to see a cite for those institutions) that do what’s done in Gitmo; the average American, isn’t aware of it.
What we are aware of is what we believe the Nazis, or other facist nations with a llack of human rights concerns, would do and that’s the point Dubin was making. If you walked up to a random guy on the street, listed what what’s going on in Gitmo and asked what he thought; he would most likely shout, "those Nazi Bastards’; because that’s what a Nazi bastard would do…chain a prisoner to the floor, in his shit and piss…that’s the opposite that a nation that’s often accused of coddling prisoners would do.
Just because the Nazis did much worst, doesn’t invalidate the impression that what’s going on in Gitmo is what a Nazi would do.
This isn’t a hard concept…and ADL has their own agenda, same has Sharpton and Jackson, two people who I believe you have opinions on…whoops I compared the ADL ahd Al Sharpton, clearly I mean that the ADL is interchangable with Al Sharpton.
And you speak for every single person who lived in the Soviet Bloc? If you had contempt for dissent (and truthful dissent at that…Reagan was a senile criminal) then you are a tool.
Has it occurred to you that you might have felt differently if Reagan had invaded your country and killed your children or put you in prison for no reason and tortured you?
Beg pardon, my mistake, try again.
You can call me names, but if I call you names, you gonna call me even more names, is that it?
I, for one, am very sorry that your mother had you suckling lead paint chips while you were a child.
The barrel of fish is getting it!! :D, but as I try to do in discussions, one has to have good evidence to tell people to shove it. Right now the right wing is grossly exagerating what Durbin said that it is impossible to say it is just an honest mistake, so much so that they even tripped the ADL; and so much so that just like rightists gave an easy way out to Bush and company for what Durbin said, the right is giving Durbin an easy out for lying on what Durbin said.
Which is pretty much irrelevant to my point, since I was speaking of the great masses of people living behind the Iron Curtain and not a handful of self-proclaimed “dissidents.”
The issue was not what some handful of people may have felt in their hearts, but whether the great mass of people came to believe about the world. (I am aware, for example, that when the apologists of the Right wish to claim that Star Wars actually frightened the Kremlin, they have a short list of “dissidents” (none of whom were actually in the Kremlin) that they trot out to make their case. This, again, has nothing to do with whether Ukrainian farmers, Georgian fishermen, or Russian factory workers were able to recognize problems in the Soviet Bloc from Western news reports that they would not simply dismiss as Western propaganda.)
Yes, you must know, you weren’t there.
I can’t believe what I’m reading.
I illegal immigrant (just kidding). First Apos calls people anti-American, then you demand to see my papers, what’s next?
You got me there, I certainly don’t speak for Brezhnev, nor can I claim to be speaking for KGB.
Did you read my post backwards? Because I said explicitly,
Yes, it did occur to me immediately that RR wanted to incinerate me in five minutes. I still loved him, because I hated SSSR so much. You really have no idea how people in hellholes around the world really feel about things.
Neither do you it seems, I came from the hell hole called El Salvador, one of my saddest days was to see a “special report” in the local press showing Solzhenitsyn defending the military thugs in El Salvador. I want to believe always that it was part of the military propaganda that graved Solzhenitsyn to defend their policies withouth him knowing; but ever since, I distrusted even him. Reagan looked the other way when atrocities were commited in Central America. You are free to love Reagan out of ignorance I guess.
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**Senator Hagel shoots his fucking mouth off… **
Chuck Hagel in US News and World Report:
Have the Downing Street Memos, the American Gulag, and the Daily Bad News finally fractured party loyalty, or is Hagel just positioning for 2008?
Regardless, what sort of message is this sending to our troops? What message is it sending to our enemies?
Is it time to reveal that Hagel is Gay, has a spy for a wife, or should he just be shipped off to a cold cell at Baghram Air base?
Let this whole murderous corrupt house of cards come tumbling down.
Seyla.
So atrocities happened in San Salvador, Reagan knew and did nothing at best. And you are feeling perfectly justified to get on a high horse and denounce my ignorance and Reagan’s perfidy. But I am not that ignorant about what was happening in your country: I read about remote canyons filled with unburied corpses.
Why I am not on your side? Because what happened in your country was part of Cold War. Cold War was a struggle between Capitalist and Communist camps. Communists murdered around 50,000,000 people in Russia, where I come from. Reagan was against Communists. Is it clear now?
I’m glad that the whole nightmare is over. I don’t think that deaths of people close to you are justified in any manner. I am terribly sorry to know that you suffered. Only don’t you try to assume a high moral ground.
No. The Cold War was a power strruggle between the U.S.S.R. and the U.S. in which “communism” was simply an easy battle cry on the part of the West. There was no need for the U.S. to support (and install) dictators in other countries simply to oppose the Soviets. The overwhelming majority of the 50,000,000 people murdered in the Soviet Union died long before the Cold War began. The principal architect of the Cold War spent forty years in direct opposition to the bad policies of the West which he felt both prolonged the Cold War and inflicted death and harm on millions of people who did not need to suffer. Dismissing the deaths in places like El Salvador as war casualties demonstrates a rather horrid ignorance of what actually happened and a truly naive acceptance of the propaganda that emanated as a result of the Cold War.
El Salvador.
**tomndebb ** explained why I could.
And that is why I am against communists, and (getting in my horse brought once again because your fine ignorance) I am already on the record in previous discussions as denouncing what Stalin did in the USSR! So shove it Isk!
The reality was that while there were communists in the revel forces in El Salvador, the fact was the extreme right and military forced many that were not communist into taking arms, propaganda then twisted the truly evil regime in El Salvador into “forces of good” even to this day a moderate like monsignor Romero that was murdered is remembered as “Red Romero” by the right wing even in the USA.
Apropos to this: The current administration made the point that the model for Iraq is El Salvador. Right now, as my family has told me, extreme poverty and lack of work (amazing considering the boatloads of money Salvadorans overseas send to the old Country) points to the right not doing anything to solve the problems that caused the war in the first place.
Some model.
Expect more unrest in less than a generation, and Iraq is also toast.
Sorry can’t help you there, when an ignoramus like you appears, the high moral ground is an anthill!
Can I get a cite for this by the way? We are talking about America, right?
No. They are discussing El Salvador.
Ahhh, thanks. GIGO has his location listed as Arizona.
As an addendum: I realize that they were discussing El Salvador, but I figured that the refrence to ‘your country’ was about his listed location. Yeepers.
http://www.nosafehaven.org/news_generals.html
That article is interesting also for this:
No problem FinnAgain this is after all the Arizona Republic 
, I came to america in the 80’s and became a citizen in the 90’s
:sigh: I was looking to retire some day back to the old country but when even the parental units and other relatives that were well to do are suffering economically in El Salvador (and there is no war now, go figure), one has to change plans.