Going Out On A Limb Here- Fuck You KKK

[the_diego]

No, it was perfectly shallow.

[Monty]

[quote=“Odesio, post:18, topic:725515”]

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[li]Declined sharply in the late 1920s when key leader accused of rape and murder and petered out in the 40s.[/li][/QUOTE]

I commend you on your excellent word choice.

[Askance]

@the_diego

The CSA stood for slavery, among others. But so did Jesus and every biblical character before him.

Really? Every single Biblical character, up to and including Jesus, explicitly stood for (which is to say, supported in so many words) slavery. I do look forward to your several hundred cites supporting each one of those claims you so recklessly made.

The flag is being flown by those proud of being southerners, more than anything else

How do you know this is the motivation of the majority of CSA flag wavers?

Why can they not express their “southern pride” in some way that does not also express support for slavery?

Why is it, do you think, that only white folks have “southern pride”?

And what exactly does the fucking south have to be fucking proud about, specifically, compared to the north, the east, the west, or the centre? What exact accomplishments are so wonderful in comparison to other areas of the country?

Because we know know that pride over what you are (or in their case their forebears were), rather than what you’ve done, is a cause of an excess of self esteem and thus bullying and narcissism. Sound familiar?

So, are there actual slavers among those waving the CSA flag?

So people supporting a cause that explicitly supported slavery is OK with you? As long as they themselves didn’t own slaves - that being impossible, of course, on account of slavery being illegal since 1865 and there being no-one over 150 years old.

[Sitnam]

@Odesio

It’s really not much of a thing. The Klan, or, the Klans, since there is no single organization any more, has very little political or social clout. Broadly speaking you have three phases of Klan history. At its height in the 1920s the Klan had about 4,000,000 members. By the 1930s they only had tens of thousands of members.

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[li]Original Reconstruction era Klan. Disbanded because they essentially won.[/li][li]20th century Klan revived after Birth of a Nation into a fraternal organization. More focused on anti-Catholicism than anti-black. Let’s face it, you didn’t need the Klan to be white and anti-black back then. Declined sharply in the late 1920s when key leader accused of rape and murder and petered out in the 40s. [/li][li]A bunch of independent groups siding with authorities in anti-Civil Rights efforts during the 50s and 60s.[/li][li]4th era of the Klan. Most people go with three eras of Klans but I go with four. In the early 1980s someone sued the pants off a KKK group in Alabama and won a huge settlement which bankrupted them. This really caused a further fracturing of the various small Klan groups. [/li][/ul]

Don’t forget, Superman had quite a bit to do with their downfall

[Odesio]

@Askance

How do you know this is the motivation of the majority of CSA flag wavers?

Polls show that a majority of Americans don’t view the Confederate flag as a symbol of racism but rather one of Southern pride. I sure wouldn’t argue that it’s unreasonable to view the flag as a symbol of white supremacy given it’s history but it shouldn’t be all that surprising that so many people don’t see it that way. As a child my primary exposure to the flag was through The Dukes of Hazzard rather than people adopting the flag as part of their protests against the Civil Rights movement.

And what exactly does the fucking south have to be fucking proud about, specifically, compared to the north, the east, the west, or the centre? What exact accomplishments are so wonderful in comparison to other areas of the country?

Some people chalk it up to the Scots-Irish influence. The Scots-Irish being a people known to be fiercely proud while their neighbors could only scratch their heads in bewilderment trying to figure out what in the hell they had to be proud about.

[lalaith]

What surprised me was the article I read about the rally was that the KKK had 300 people show up. (Other group had 400.)

300 people for a KKK rally? In this day and age?? :eek:

[lalaith]

@Askance

How do you know this is the motivation of the majority of CSA flag wavers?

Can’t speak for the ones at the rally, but I’ve got plenty of them all over my facebook page – they’re the people I went to high school with.

Why is it, do you think, that only white folks have “southern pride”?

They aren’t the only ones. Some of the people I went to high school with are black supporters of the Confederate flag as a symbol of Southern pride.

[dropzone]

@Ukulele_Ike

The Klan was more entertaining back in those days.

And rallies! Oh, the rallies! (Note the locations.) Clue for the moderns: A few pickups bumping into each other does not a rally make.

@Monty

Which Knights Templar groups should I concentrate on?

The Illuminati ones. That’s mess with their heads.

[monstro]

@lalaith

Can’t speak for the ones at the rally, but I’ve got plenty of them all over my facebook page – they’re the people I went to high school with.
They aren’t the only ones. Some of the people I went to high school with are black supporters of the Confederate flag as a symbol of Southern pride.

I went to college with a black dude like this. He was ultra conservative who made Ward Connerly look like Malcolm X.