"going thru Big D, don't mean Dallas"

Anybody have any good advice for how to rescue a marriage that is falling apart? How can you tell if there’s any hope left in trying to save it?
My wife and I have been married 12 years now, but we’re looking at the bleak prospect of divorce, though neither one of us really believes in divorce. How do you know when you’ve reached the point at which the difficulty of staying together is too great? Or did you choose to stay together for the kids? (we have 3).
Has anyone here been to the bottom yet still managed to salvage their marriage? What seemed to help?
We’re seeing a marriage therapist, but my wife doesn’t see much point in it, is too bitter about disappointments and won’t let herself feel love anymore, doesn’t think she will ever feel as much support from me as what she needs.

Having a hard time here.

Sorry to hear about your dilema Pablito. I don’t know if I have any good advice for you or not. I didn’t try to save my marriage because I didn’t want it to be saved. I knew it was over because I felt no love for him, hated to be around him, didn’t like to talk to him, couldn’t even look at him. Our daughter was 21 months old when I asked him to move out. I didn’t want to “stay together” for her sake because I didn’t want her to see my bitterness for him. She’ll always love her father and that’s fine with me, I’d never try to break their bond. I’m just glad I’m no longer married to him and I don’t have to see him every day.

I think counseling is a good step and your wife should give it a chance… if that’s what she wants Do you both still love each other? Do you both think your marriage is worth saving? Do you want to save your marriage? I think those questions should be answered before you move further.

I don’t think parents should stay together “for the kids’ sake” because kids can tell when something is wrong and they’ll eventually figure out that your marriage isn’t “real” and they may resent that later in life.

Good luck with whatever happens!

My ex made the decision easy for me by cheating on me with her boss.

Splitting up sucks, but sometimes there’s just no point in hanging on. Staying together for the kids is just as unhealthy for them as the divorce will be. More so. Many kids have moms and dads that don’t live together anymore. After the initial shock, they bounce back if they know that mom and dad still love them.

Be honest to yourself and your spouse. If your marriage is truly over, it is unhealthy for all involved to stay together. It sucks going through it, but when you come out the other side you’ll feel like the world has been lifted off of your shoulders. Trust me.

Listen to your heart.

I had the similar experience to Delta-9. My ex made it easy by getting pregnant by someone else, then running off with him. I got divorced through the mail…uncontested.

Pablito, I wouldn’t give up…if both of you don’t want divorce, then find a way to get past this hurdle. I’m not saying there’s a magic bullet, or that you’l be fine from here on out…

But there are MANY success stories out there of people who got it back on track. An uphill battle, yes. But if this is worth fighting for, then you have no choice. Fight on.

Find a marriage counselor.

Jet Black

On the other hand…(great Randy Travis song, but I digress)

If you don’t think this is going to work (and you both feel this) then Delta-9 is also right… that going for the divorce can be a relief, in itself. And (if that’s the case), the sooner you can get your life back in order, the better (for everyone involved).

Just do it as humanly as possible. Divorce can be so cruel, and often folks with good intentions end up screwed, or screwing others.

Be careful, no matter what you do.

Jet Black

Wasn’t that sung by Mark Chestnutt?

I really don’t have any advice for you Pablito. If your wife doesn’t think therapy will help, then it’s going to be tough. Good luck!

Grace,

I know “On the other hand” was covered by Randy Travis (I got the CD right here), but it could be possible Mark Chestnut did it before Travis.

Sorry for the hi-jack…this isn’t the thread for country music discussion. Country music, in itself, can be depressing.

Though the title of the OP is also from a country song. Perhaps this discussion does belong in this thread?
Jet Black

Consider this. Your kids will learn about what marriage should be like from your relationship with your wife. Do you have the kind of relationship you would want your children to have? Would you want your daughter(s) to have a husband like you? Would you want your son(s) to have a wife like yours?

My therapist wrote a book that may be of help to you: Recovering Love: Co-dependency to Co-recovery I haven’t read it yet, but he is an excellent therapist. This book details the 8 major ways of loving which is not only a good way to re-build love, but to build a loving relationship as well.

No, you’re right. On the other hand was by Randy Travis. Going through the Big D was done by Mark Chestnutt. That’s the song I thought you were referring to.

Zyada–
thanks for the book recommendation. I just ordered a copy, hoping it will help. That’s the kind of thing I was looking for, something concrete I can do to move things along. Thanks also to Jet Black, Rachelle, Grace, and Delta-9 for your thoughts.

I’ve been married for over 20 years now, and there were times in our marriage when one and then the other of us was about ready to throw in the towel.

I think the thing that pulled us through in both cases was that the one who was less unhappy with the marriage really, deeply, honestly cared about the other’s happiness and made it clear that s/he was willing to do just about anything it took to get that back. I know that when I was going through it, I was unhappy not so much with my husband as with my life. I felt unfulfilled in my work, useless in the world, and utterly hopeless to change anything about it. My husband talked to me about that, even though he was going through the hurt and anger of my shutting him out, and he convinced me that he was truly willing to support me in any changes I needed to make. After I’d made some of those changes (I like how that phrase is so short and easy to say, considering how difficult it was to actually do), I realized that I wasn’t really unhappy with him or with our marriage. I had been unhappy with myself and that made it impossible for me to be fulfilled in anything else I did.

I don’t know what your circumstances are, or where you or your wife are in your lives. There often comes a time in people’s lives when they reassess where they are and what they’re doing and realize it’s just not enough. “Mid-life crisis” is too cliche a term to use, but you get the idea, I’m sure.

Divorce would hurt you, your wife, and your children. There’s no way around that. Every situation is different, and I mean no disrespect at all to those who are divorced and doing their best to provide everything their children need, but there is some evidence that even a somewhat unhappy intact marriage is indeed better for the children than two happier single parents. I would never advocate anyone live in a hellish marriage just to try to provide a “traditional” home for their children, but it might be worth living through some unhappiness now in the hope that things will improve in the long term. Divorce tends to be final, and you won’t be able to undo the effects of splitting things up if you regret it a year or two down the road.

As I said, I don’t know the context of your marriage. However, if you’re willing to keep on trying, and you sound like you are, you may have to give more than half to the marriage for a while, until your wife can recover the ability to give back. Individual therapy in addition to marriage therapy might be a good idea, and if you can convince her that you have her best interests in mind as well as your own, there’s still a chance you can come out of this stronger than before. If not, then you’ll know you did everything you could, even if it failed. I wish you and your wife all the luck in the world.