Going to Israel, looking for advice/suggestions

Not me, actually, but a couple of friends of mine (a married couple) are planning on going to Israel shortly. He recently got a job and was asked to go to Israel for training for 5 or 6 months. They’re not registered here, but I offered to ask around and see what advice suggestions I could come up with.

  1. How’s the job situation there? She’s interested in finding temporary employment while there, particularly in accounting, if possible (she has a Master’s degree in Accounting).

  2. Any particular cultural differences an American should be aware of ahead of time? Anything that may be particularly difficult to adjust to?

  3. Safety. Obviously that area has been a center of political unrest for quite some time. Having never been there, it’s difficult for me to really gauge the safety level. Is it really that violent on a day to day basis for the average citizen, or does it just seem that way from the way the news always focuses on the violence?

Thanks to any information you can give.

My sister lives in Jerusalem, and I have visited several times; most recently last June.

Job situation is tight, and wages are lower than here while cost of living is high. My sis is a masters level psychologist, her husband is an attorney working for the police department (a very good job, great bennies & “good” wages.) They live like the average college student would here. One crapped out old car, small apartment, very very little discretionary income. They are both around 40, not just starting out. I don’t know the availability of work for non-Israelis. The consulate would be the best place to get that sort of info.

No real cultural differences. I assume they’ll be either in Tel Aviv or J’lem? Quite cosmopolitan. Driving is a blast if you like combat driving! Be prepared for a lower level of retail/restaurant service in Israeli businesses. Arab quarter establishments are much friendlier, generally. And cheaper; be prepared to bargain a little bit, but be friendly about it!

My sister & her husband are generally unaware of conflict. Areas (typically Palestinian towns outside of the city) which are considered “unsafe” are road-blocked off, generally. I’ve travelled quite extensively in the Middle east, Turkey & Greece (sometimes on my own). I feel safer there than I would in most large US inner cities, using basic common sense travellers’ precautions.

There are a ton of really interesting places to visit. Encourage them to take a weekend & fly to Sinai (about $70.00) to Sharm el Sheik on the Red Sea. Fabulous snorkelling & diving, great cheap shopping & bazaars, extremely safe. Masada, Galillee, Dead Sea is a must-visit, great year-round flea market in Tel Aviv…

Note to self: plan another trip to visit my sis! :slight_smile:

This is in no particular order:
Israelis tend to be very casual as a group (they go to weddings in khakis and a white shirt). This can be pretty surprising to Americans. They’re not at all hesitant in expressing their opinions - never ever ever argue politics with a cab driver unless you’re really in the mood for a true arguement. It’s a small enough place that they assume that you (like they) know everyone in the whole country - you may receive questions like “Do you know my cousin in Florida?” “No, I live in Connecticut.” “But do you know her?”
Gas is really expensive (as one would expect from the fact that none of their neighbors will sell it to them), so the mass transit (mostly buses) is very good. I believe that there are serious serious taxes on nonresidents buying cars or bringing in electronics and similar stuff - there are offices in America that exist to help olim (new immigrants to Israel) that will have tons of helpful information, including financial stuff like this. The site for the main Ministry in charge of that is here. It outlines all of the services available and answers some FAQs. Run a search on aliya (the term for immigration) and you’ll find a lot more.
People generally live in apartments, unless they’re in settlements where there is more land available. Meat is really expensive; the only animal protein people generally get is chicken. (Personally, I find Israeli tuna vile, and wouldn’t touch the stuff.) Certain things are really good - American supermarket bread will always seem horrible by comparison, and the ice cream bars and puddings are great. Israeli mattresses tend to be thick sheets of foam rubber - if this is a problem, make sure to look for an “American mattress”.
Histadrut, a massive union covering a huge variety of workers, tends to go on strike once every year or two, paralyzing the country completely, including Ben Gurion Airport.
Nobody jaywalks; this may be because the drivers are, well, less risk-averse than American drivers :). Hitchhiking, on the other hand, is pretty common, especially among soldiers who’ve been given leave.
Everybody has a cell phone (far more so than in most places in America). I think that rates are comparable to a land line, and that you can get it faster, but I’m not sure on that one. I believe that Israelis have the largest average number of computers per household of any nation in the world, and pretty much everyone is online.
Everyone (except, controversially, for yeshiva students) has to do several years of mandatory military service or national service once they turn 18, so you see soldiers around a lot, way more than in the US. Also, until a certain age (a WAG would be mid-forties, but I have no idea), everyone has to go do reserve duty, to brush up incase they are called up because of war. This means that small businesses may be closed unexpectedly with a sign saying that the owner has gone on milu’im (reserve duty), the length of which varies by age and military unit.
Travel-wise, hit all of the classic tourist spots (they’re classic for a reason). Also, my favorite part of the country is the Golan, particularly Tel Dan - go hiking there sometime.
I’ve never felt unsafe while there, except for the one time that I (a fairly obvious Jewish girl) was in the Muslim quarter of the old city at about ten at night. (Long story - it wasn’t my choice, but I was with a very large group.) Don’t go anyplace that you’re really not supposed to go and you’ll be fine. I feel much less safe in American inner cities than I do there - it’s just that the violence is constantly reported here because it’s terrorism based. I believe that the actual murder rate is much lower there than here, although I have no cite.
I have no idea what the job situation is - does she speak Hebrew? This would obviously make things a lot simpler all around, although many Israelis (particularly professionals) speak a lot of English. A lot of TV and most movies are imports from America, with Hebrew subtitles, so many people pick it up there. College texts tend to be in English ( I know this for certain in the sciences), so all doctors, among many others, speak it. Nearly everyone takes it in later elementary school and high school, so most people have some background with it.
This is getting a bit long - is there anything in particular that they’d like to know?

Hmm…

I’ve been away for seven months, so I can’t tell you much about the job market. It was pretty good when I left, but there’s been a bit of a recession since, so I don’t really know how it is now. From what I hear it’s not too bad, although there may be a bit of a glut when I comes to professions such as law, medicine and accounting.

Salaries in Israel tend to be lower than those in big-city USA, and the price of living isn’t relatively low enough to compensate. I’d say that it’s similar to most west and central European nations. Most Israelis get free medical insurance (your friends should look into that) and cheap college tuition, so it evens out. Carina’s sister seems to be a bit of an extreme case - while the whole American concept of “suburbia” never really caught on,most Israelis her age, with her level of education, can usually manage a nice-sized (4-5 bedroom) apartment in a good part of the city, as well as two (European-sized) cars. Still, it helps to start out with a certain amount of money . In addition, while most Israelis own their own homes, your friends will probably have to rent, which means they probably won’t get as good a deal. As for prices - restaurants tend to be a bit expensive, while grocery shopping is cheap - especially produce, which is inexpensive and of excellent quality. Israelis tend to cook rather than eat out. If you can fiend a good marketplace, stick with it!n

One thing they won’t have to worry about - most Israelis speak fluent English at one level or another. Younger people speak better than older. Most televison shows are imported from the U.S., undubbed, as are movies.

As for cultural differences - from what I’ve seen, Israelis tend to be like New Yorkers, only less reserved. Israel is a very casual, informal country, although there are still some certain rules of politeness which should be followed. People rarely wear suits, and virtually everybody is on a first-name basis. The thing is, Israelis never really figured out the concept of “servility”. Once you realize that the average Israeli considers everybody his equal, at best, and that the waitress is not working for you, she’s working with you, you’ll get along fine. Just don’t be intimidated by people who tell you what they think, and don’t be afraid to do the same. And don’t be startled when people ask you how much money you make, or how much your car cost. They’ll also tell you that you were screwed.

You see it at work - people have very little deference for authority, but are excellent team players, and tend to think “outside the box”. Formalities are often overlooked, and improvisation is considered a virtue.

Just don’t expect anyone to adress you as “sir”. Ever.

As for other customs - Israelis drink much less than Americans, but eat more. It’s also a nation of barbeque freaks, although there are specific rules of etiquite for this which you should be aware of. Israelis also tend to be far more family-oriented than Americans.

Israelis are very techno-savvy, perhps too much so. Most people with college educations own computers, and about 60% of Israelis own cellphones - the highest rate in the world outside Scandinavia. Israelis are also very politically aware, especially compared to Americans, and tend to be strongly opinianated. Expect to tak politics everywhere, even with taxi-drivers. In fact, especially with taxi-drivers.

Security - crime is lower than in the U.S., although it does exist. Israeli cops tend to be a bit rough around the edges, but are mostly honest. Most neighbourhoods in the larger cities are safe, even at night; still, they should avoid southern Tel-Aviv and East Jerusalem.

As for that, most of the violence of the last few moths has limited itself to the Territories and adjacent areas; north, south and coastal Israel are just fine, although in the next few months I’d avoid the Arab towns of northern Isral, such as Nazereth. They shouldn’t enter the West Bank unless they really have to; they shouldn’t enter the Gaza Strip even if they were forced at gunpoint. It’s not a nice place.

Basically, Israel is a safe place to live. Terrorist awareness is very high, so you should expect people to check your bag when entering a mall (Israelis, BTW, love malls; the country is full of them) or a department store. If you see a bag lying unattended in the street, avoid it; someone has already called the police.

That’s all for now. A bit long, to be sure, but then, I’m a bit homesick. If you have any more questions just ask.

Thanks everybody, all of this should help out a lot. Ya’ll are making me wish it was me that was going!

No problem, Cabbage. Mrs. Alessan read my post and wants me to add a few footnotes:

  1. The price of living is considerably lower than that in big-city USA, including rent. However, for legal reasons, the concept of “professional landlord” doesn’t really exist, so almost all rentals are from private individuals (in other words - no supers). The quality of rental apartments can be erratic, with apartments in Jerusalem being the worst. If they have to live in the J-lem area they should live in one of the surrounding towns, such as Mevatzeret Tzion (which is supposed to be very nice).

  2. To work as an accountant you have to pass some rather stringent exams and possibly a clerkship; your friend may get a job as a financial advisor. If not, every big city in Israel has an excellent university, and she could use the opportunity to bolster up her degree - or just learn some more.

  3. Social rules - learn the term “friar” (pronounced like the clergyman) and avoid it. It means, basically, “sucker”, and Israelis hate being called that with the force of a thousand suns. Israelis never like to be told they got the short end of the stick (they like to say it, though. And then fight).

The Israeli family structure is similar to that of the Italians or Greeks - i.e., family always comes first, cousins are first-degree relatives, and everybody wants to know why you don’t have any children yet. The concept of “never seeing your parents” is inconceveable to most Israelis. This isn’t directly applicable to your friends, but it helps to understand the mentality.

  1. America, to Israelis, is the Wonderful Land of Oz - a place of wealth and enchantment. However, Americans are considerd somewhat naive and clueless. Bear this in mind.

  2. Unless you’re religious (and I mean a real Orthodox Jew), don’t live in a religious neighbourhood. It’s not worth your while.

  3. If you see a soldier hitchiking along a highway, pick him up. He’ll be eternally greatful. :wink:

That’s it for now. More, perhaps, later.

Important tip: whatever you do, don’t take Brian Bunnyhurt. :smiley:

Great concept, the friar thing. I do believe it largely explains the combat-style driving. Merely being polite (letting someone in front of you in line, or while driving) is often construed as being a sucker.

Who is Brian Bunnyhurt?

Sorry – my bad for not posting links. BB makes valid points in some discussions, but seems to have a “thing” about Israel. Witness his contributions to the following:

Can we afford not to dismantle Israel?
Islam is a barbaric religion

You may draw your own conclusions. :rolleyes:

Just out of curiosity, what would be the disadvantages to living in a ‘religious neighborhood’?

Badtz -

Well, for one, the entire neighbourhood shuts down from friday evening until saturday night. No driving, playing loud music, of having a TV visibly on; in fact, switching your lights on and off in your house can get you in trouble.

Sencond, “modesty” is strictly enforced. Women stepping outside the house with short pants, short skirts, short sleeves, jeans, or uncovered hair will receive some very hostile reactions.

All in all, Ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel tend to be aomewhat xenophobic. They tend to regard people not like them living among them as intruders, invaders and corrupting influence. It’s not something worth your while to try and deal with. Bear in mind, though, that I’m speaking about Ultra-Orthodox, black-and-white wearing Jews (what Ameicans often refer to as “Hassids”, although the Hassidim are but one sect among many), and not regular Orthodox Jews. They tend to live in mixed neighbourhoods and are quite amicable to outsiders.

I don’t think I should pursue this much more, as I have some personal factors involved here. Just as many Dopers have issues with Fundamentalist Christians, I (and many other Israelis) have issues with Ultra-Orthodox Jews.

Not only that, but it was the prime reason behind Ehud Barak’s srunning defeat last month.

I can chime in here.

There are no real “disadvantages;” things are just set up for someone else’s convenience.

Imagine living in a Orthodox Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn. The local resteraunts and shops will sell only Kosher foods. All local stores will be closed on Saturday and other Jewish Holidays. Driving on these days will get you angry looks. Everyone around you will belong to a different group than you.

So, there’s nothing wrong with it… it’s just going to be uncomfortable since you’ll be in the monority.

Thanks for the answers. I was wondering if it was some kind of local enforcement of religious laws, and I guess I was somewhat right.