Goodbye, AVG

Almost from the time I got a computer and got wise to the fact that Norton and McAfee were bundled bloatware, I have used AVG as my antivirus. I have installed it on other people’s machines, I have advocated for it and vouched for it with other people, and I trusted it without reservation. No longer.

With their last update, AVG very quietly and without my explicit permission installed a browser hijacker. Whenever I opened a new tab I got a Google-looking interface titled AVG Secure Search instead of the 9-box matrix that I set up with my frequently visited websites (I’m running Windows 8). In the upper-right corner there was a hyperlink that opened a prompt allegedly allowing me to turn it off. It didn’t work. It kept coming back.

AVG’s solution to getting rid of it didn’t work. It was on the Add/Remove Programs list, but it would not remove itself. Revo Installer didn’t work. Uninstalling AVG completely didn’t work. I even went so far as to run a System Restore, using a disk image from 2 weeks ago to make sure I got rid of it. That didn’t work. After an hour I was informed that the restore failed because of, yep, that program.

Finally, after going through everything again, finding everything AVG-labeled on my computer that I could find, it was still there. How can that be? So, in a fit of frustration, I deleted Firefox and went for a clean install. Little did I know that doing that would require me to download it on Robin’s computer and use a thumb drive to install. Internet Explorer resisted every single attempt to install Firefox, fueling my ire. What else could go wrong in my quest to get rid of a simple program I didn’t want?

Everything is now back to normal. At least, I assume so. Firefox is back up, no more new tab hijacks, AVG is as history as I can make it, and now I’m running Bitdefender, which was highly rated in the reviews I found. We’ll see how that works.

It seems like much ado about nothing, doesn’t it? I could have just learned to live with it. It might even have been beneficial. But dammit, IT IS MY MACHINE. Nobody puts anything on this machine but me. I didn’t ask for it, I didn’t need it, I didn’t want it, and making me work that hard to get rid of it guaranteed that I was going to get rid of the whole smash. You’d think by now that software developers might have learned that lesson. Clearly not. Judging by the traffic about it all over the Web I am not the only one who thinks this way. They must have lost a ton of customers over this one issue.

So goodbye, AVG. You used to be a dependable ally. Now you’re a malware company reduced to hijacking other people’s property. It’s a shame, really. It takes a lifetime to create loyalty and a single act to wreck it forever. Stop being what you claim to be protecting people from.

Huh, I just went to addons and hit “disable”. Technically still there, but I haven’t seen anything from it since then. Pretty damn annoying they included it.

I never really understood the appeal of anti-virus. In almost twenty years of computer use, I’ve gotten a virus exactly once. And the first thing I do with each machine is remove whatever anti-virus program they put on there, simply because in so many cases they seem to hog so many system resources that its not clear the machine wouldn’t run better without them even if it had a virus. The cure seems far worse then the disease.

Granted maybe I’ve just been lucky, and since I haven’t actually used anti-virus software in many years maybe they’ve gotten better (though the OP makes me think that’s not the case.)

Still, from my experience anyways, your better off just skipping them, at least if your computer doesn’t have any super-sensetive information on it.

That was step one on AVG’s list of things to do to get rid of it, but guess what? It wasn’t there on my machine. I have no idea why.

If the vendor has to post a list of things to do to get rid of one of their products, they’ve already failed. There should be one thing to do: click “Uninstall”. And before that, there should be a clear, unambiguous permissions page with a button marked “Install”. No add-on should ever be installed secretly and without permission.

That you know of.

Are you serious? If you’re not using an AV program, how the fuck do you know you don’t have any viruses?

If you cover your eyes, does the world not exist for you? :dubious:

I dumped AVG a couple of years ago when I noticed how resource hungry it is. I switched to Avast and improved my PC’s performance quite a bit.

Given the choice between a virus which has no detectable effect on my computer vs. anti-virus program that slows it to a crawl, the choice is a no-brainer.

If I had a bunch of sensitive information on my computer, I might be worried about key-loggers and the like. But I don’t, so I’m not.

Avast’s latest program updates have been clunkier though. The very latest doesn’t play nice with Download Them All for example.

Part of the problem is that modern viruses are written by criminals with a high degree of skill. In fact anti-virals, while not useless, aren’t really the best layer of defense available to the user. Brian Krebs: Security is all about layers, and not depending on any one technology or approach to detect or save you from the latest threats. …

Most threats succeed because they take advantage of human weaknesses (laziness, apathy, ignorance, etc.), and less because of their sophistication. So, take a few minutes to browse Krebs’s 3 Rules for Online Safety, and my Tools for a Safer PC primer.

Krebs’s Number One Rule for Staying Safe Online: “If you didn’t go looking for it, don’t install it!”

Krebs’s Rule #2 for Staying Safe Online: “If you installed it, update it.”

Krebs’s Rule #3 for Staying Safe Online: “If you no longer need it, remove it.”
More at the link.

Ok, this could be then the perfect place to ask this, the current project I have is to get students machines with Ubuntu, but since there is a program used in house that still needs windows (it fails to work in Wine, I already tried that) there is a need to have a virtual windows XP machine, yes, it will be frozen as it will not be modified any more, but the annoying warning of needing an anti-virus still comes up.

Any recommendations on what would be then the smallest or less intrusive anti-virus (not Defender/Essentials for XP as it is gone now) that will do simple protection with the smallest footprint?

I have Avast and am thinking of switching to MS Security Essentials for Win7. Maybe.

Have you thought of trying Malwarebytes?

My needs here are very peculiar, I did mention though that essentials are out as Microsoft is not supporting Essentials for XP. However, I do recommend MS Security Essentials for windows 7.

I use it on windows 7 and 8 but in the peculiar XP case I have, Malwarebytes will not remove the “you need an anti virus” warning from XP as the tool deals with malware, not viruses.

As I understand it you aren’t really interested in Anti-virus protection so much as turning off the warnings. Perhaps ClamAV would do the trick. (Yes, they have a version for windows.) Avast would too: I suspect that it’s the least bloated of the majors, though I perceive it’s more bloated than it was 3 years ago.

Ah, I did use Clam before with a (“management says we have to use this dinosaur because is useful”) windows 2000 server, I will try Clam for the virtual XP machine, thanks.

Most certainly, not! That is a well-earned shitcanning if ever I saw one. Thanks for spreading the news. I’m not using AVG at the moment but I considered them a reputable company. I didn’t realize that they’ve all succumbed to the Dark Side.

Then you’re damn lucky*. My last computer was pretty much destroyed by some really nasty spyware.

*Some would say foolish and incredibly fucking stupid. Myself among them.

If all you want to do is get rid of the warning, then just turn it off. It would be ridiculous if you actually had to install an antivirus to get rid of the warning.

I often wind up turning it off on any computer that I don’t use often. That way I don’t get both a warning from my antivirus about being out of date and a warning from Microsoft. I’m not entirely sure whose fault it is for giving two notifications, but Microsoft’s is the least informative, so I get rid of it.

I imagine I’m the only one who saw the thread title and thought Flying Tigers. Carry on.

That’s what I did. Even Avast was slowing my system to a crawl, so I’ve decided to go commando.

If you do disable the warning and run Malwarebytes, be aware that it may alert on the fact that the warning is turned off (specifically, the registry entry where it’s set to disabled). Some kinds of malware apparently modify the registry key to hide the fact that it disabled your AV software.

Were you using an anti-virus program at the time?