I suspect he may be misunderstanding the estimate that approximately 50% of all pregnancies end in a spontaneous abortion - AKA a miscarriage.
Such misunderstandings, of course being why the term ‘spontaneous abortion’ is falling out of favour.
And OMG brings out the comedy gold. The GOP should hire him to lead this effort. I’m sure it will be a big success.
OMG? A Mister Darwin for you on line one. He has your clue…
Post #88. Guess you’ve yet to read it. Of course, that really isn’t anything out of the ordinary with liberals, who also argue that all lives are not equal. And some even argue that there are too few abortions (I’ll try to find the exact article when I can).
So the question is, how many liberals do YOU know? Because you sure as hell don’t seem to know any.
In much the same vein, I propose that in order to reduce poverty, society kills those who would otherwise live in poverty.
They also seem to be unaware that sometimes, it results in babies, either.
This is such a bullshit argument. Has been and always will be. The government will and does infringe on bodily autonomy on a daily basis in order to prevent you from bringing harm to another. It’s like liberals only bring up the bodily autonomy contention when it comes to abortion, and then throw it out when not speaking of abortion.
Please. That’s a meaningless distinction-- especially considering the fact that women usually have abortions completely unrelated to the fact that it’s her body, but rather to the fact that she just doesn’t want to be a mother. In fact-- and this is the problem-- in order to justify abortion, you have to define the unborn in a way which not only would define them out of rights pre-natally, but post-natally as well. There are, to their credit, quite a few left-leaning ethicists who recognize this fact and will readily admit that the criteria by which you define the unborn out of rights apply to neonates (here is one such article), but once you reach that point, the majority of liberals will abandon their argument. Or, I should say, half apply it.
OMG, what do you think about the Republicans trying to find the funny when it comes to abortion?
Just ask- I’d be happy to teach you how a real liberal (myself) actually thinks. It’s ok.
I think this would be a bad idea. I am against this.
No, we just believe that it should be made as easy as possible for women to control their pregnancies. There are still barriers for many women to acquiring birth control.
No it doesn’t, at least not for the definition of bodily autonomy I’m using, which is that anyone (of sound mind, blah blah) has the right to expel something from their body if they don’t want it there, for any reason at all.
You mean like conservatives only bring up concern for women, babies, and poor people when it comes to abortion? Or is your statement a bullshit argument (and, not incidentally, just false)?
Any definition of life, babies, or the unborn is irrelevant to my position on abortion. Anyone can expel anything from their bodies that they don’t want there, period. That’s all there is to it. Born, unborn, everyone has this right. If you wake up with something (or someone) in your body that you want out, I imagine that you would be upset if the government said that you are not allowed to get it out of you.
If the Republicans’ choices are “make abortion funny” and this, I can see why they’re going with comedy.
No. I know the U.S. teen pregnancy rate is higher than it should be and it’s generally higher in conservative states, but I’ve never heard this line of argument. I’ll add that I don’t care very much what the abortion rate is.
Its funny because you are so narrow-minded you cannot conceive of a party that’s not homogenous in its beliefs? I’m actually the outlier. There are Democrats who are pro-life, and there are ones, the majority actually, who do think we should reduce abortions because they consider it a big deal. I’m sure when you’re picketing the funerals of gay soldiers on a Sunday morning, one of your fellow Westboro Baptist Church members will tell you that they’ve got an abortion clinic protest lined up in the afternoon.
Thank you, though, for thinking I speak for all Democrats. I couldn’t if I wanted to, but I’m happy you acknowledge that I seem to matter more than you do 
I think to the conservative brain, they are just so confused and befuddled with facts and figures and reality that their automatic defense is to just shift into myopia mode and see the world as black and white without any nuance whatsoever. It wouldn’t occur to this hypothetical conservative that Democrats actually believe in the health of the mother, or reproductive rights, or privacy because to this conservative, fetuses are like a shining beacon drawing all their limited attention that they can’t focus on anything else. I’m not going to bother to dissuade you, I’m only going to laugh at your impotent conclusions. The more hyperbole you engage in, the less people that will vote Republican. So I encourage you to stamp your feet all you want about us Democrats, we’ll be laughing all the way to the Oval Office
My tune would be exactly the same. Death is not a bad thing. If I were killed before I was born, its no loss. I’m all for sucking out brains with a vacuum. Hell, I support any trimester abortion AND support the last ditch failsafe of birthing a kid and eliminating it right afterwards. Not like the kid will know so nobody’s harmed
I wonder why.
GOP platform lies about abstinence
Arkansas Republicans Vote To Eliminate Sex Ed Program In Public High Schools
Republicans continue fights against bullying, sex ed bills
Lively fight waged against sex ed bill
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Ah, yes, the “just tell young people not to have sex; if they’re good people, they won’t, and if they do, they were sluts who deserve to be punished with a kid, but don’t let them abort or give them any resources to help them raise the child because they deserve it” approach.
I’m skeptical that it works out.
Its tough enough to be a good parent when you want to be a parent. Forcing parenthood on the unwilling and then insisting they do a good job of it is like making someone swim laps in the pool while carrying a bowling ball.
Like a lot of folks I have a visceral negative reaction to the concept of abortion. When I consider the alternatives, I get over it in a big ass hurry.
Really? It must be that that happens early in the first trimester, usually before the woman even knows she’s pregnant, yes? Otherwise one would hear the word “miscarriage” much, much more often.
Usually that is how it goes, but also, many women do not discuss their early miscarriages. So, just because you don’t hear about them, doesn’t mean they don’t occur.
Say rather that they’ve worked out that teenagers are going to go hump like rabbits whether you say anything to them or not.
So that I’m not completely off topic… the quoted Republicans are obviously out of their gourds. I’m not saying you can’t make jokes about abortion. I think it’s pretty clear that you can make jokes about anything you want, and they’ll probably even be funny, to some people, sometimes, if only in the ‘I hate myself for finding this funny’ sort of way. The problem comes when you want to make a joke that argues for a particular point of view. I don’t think that’s always going to be possible. In particular, it seems really unlikely that there are anti-abortion jokes. I can’t think of any ‘pro-choice’ jokes, either.
Yeah, often the woman won’t even know because the embryo is still tiny when it “dies” (more accurately, fails to continue living). That’s the logic behind the “Don’t tell everyone until you’re out of the first trimester” advice.
You were wrong.
It was not “about” abortion and you and everyone else who has hijacked it to be about abortion can just quit, now, and go open a new thread on that topic.
That goes for everyone.
The topic was a consideration of some portion of the GOP trying to persuade Millennials to their viewpoint. Abortion was just the trigger issue, but fighting over abortion was not the point of this thread.
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Learn to read. I didn’t say anything about Democrats being homogenous in their beliefs, and I’ve absolutely-- LOVE– to see you quote me stating as much. What I said, quite plainly, is that no Democrat has the balls, nor ovaries, to go on TV and actually say what you did, even though there are more than just a “handful” of Democrats who actually believe this.
But since we’re on this topic, then I’d like to point out the absolute irony in your post, considering how much time Democrats spent, and still spend, trying to paint every last conservative/Republican as believing the exact same thing based on what, say, Akin said. Guess that must make Democrats narrow minded, right? …Right? Right???
No, of course, not. You’d never, ever, ever concede that. Why? Because somehow, someway, that’s different.
:rolleyes:
Cite?
Thank you for pointing out the obvious and a point never contested.
Cite?
I’ll be asleep. But tell how it goes, okay?
Amazing how you probably wasted thirty minutes thinking up a response to something I never said.
Since we’re going down this route, then I guess it’s only fair that I point out that not only do conservatives understand liberals better than liberals understand conservatives, conservatives understand conservatives better than liberals understand liberals.
But moving on.
Oh, they do, do they?
Somehow, between ignoring abortion related deaths of women in the U.S. (yeah, odd story of the women overseas who dies because she can’t get an abortion gets 10x as much coverage as the woman in the U.S. who dies because of a botched abortion), advocating for soda bans, smoking bans and food bans, I could see how some could conclude that Democrats don’t really care about any of the above.
What hyperbole? Find one I made in this thread. Not liking something doesn’t make it hyperbole, especially when it can be sourced. So, please, humor me.
Considering Democrats are a collection of monolithic, ill-informed voters, I just shake my head and laugh at the people who vote Democrat, but then complain about the results of that decision later. Well, that and maybe get a little bit of joy inside.
If death is not a bad thing, then explain to me why the law generally levies the maximum punishment on those who cause the death of others?
No one knows they’re dead when they’re dead, on account of being dead. Now explain to me why I shouldn’t be able to kill you, considering how you wouldn’t be able to protest afterwards, nor would you care?
Uh, that study you linked refers to moral concerns, It does not say much if there are facts or science behind those concerns, only that liberals are more likely to get it wrong regarding the levels of harm and fairness that conservatives have.
The way they see it, it actually shows that you are not going to get much traction among conservatives regarding your efforts here of making their concerns to be more different than the what the liberals have. The conclusion of the paper is that the tendency is for partisans to exaggerate the moral concerns.
Now, if we are talking about science, the reality is that I have seen many subjects that conservatives are not aware of the woo levels their ***own ***representatives really do have.
Coming from a supporter of the party of creationism, at least you’re sticking to the comedy theme of this thread.
Thank you. I guess abortion is one of those hot button issues that can end up dominating a conversation even when it’s used only as an example.
I was thinking about a couple of things when I posted this. First, how political parties tend to concentrate on spin rather than trying to gauge what the people want and adapting to that (Republicans are especially guilty of this, IMHO, but I won’t claim total innocence for Democrats). Second, just how bad Republicans seem to be at doing this.
Just look at the statement in my quote in the OP: “Unfortunately we have to, because this is the generation that we’ve been dealt”.
This is patronizing, insulting, and clueless, and I say that as someone who is far removed from the generation being discussed.