Well, you’ll probably have to live with the fact ultimately, Jim Gordon can’t really fix anything. He can strive all he wants, but the Gotham PD is so corrupt he’s barely hanging on. Gordon’s had to turn to ugly allies because he doesn’t have any others. I mean, Harvey Bullock is a corrupt thuggish asshole and he’s still one of the best men on the force.
And even apart from that, Gotham is such an crazy city that madness has become thenew normal.
Gordon will eventually become commissioner, so if the show lasts long enough he should have at least a little success cleaning up the department.
They can’t kill Penguin, I assume.
They could have killed Fish but that would be no fun. She makes a cool villain. There’s usually enough death in the show. Comic villains rarely kill their victims quickly anyway. Otherwise, how would super heroes get away 99% of the time?
I’m not arguing that, actually. I guess my point was more that it seems that they have already gotten to the point where they are as corrupt as they can believably be. If they are too corrupt, it’s tough to believe the city would still function or keep people there. Much less, and there is no reason for Batman. It seems as if they found that point already, so where else can they go? Do they just stagnant at this level for more than a decade?
I mean, don’t get me wrong! It has set up a lot and I appreciate it but I can’t see Gordon or anyone being able to live with that for long!
Good points! Thanks!
vislor
I’ll box this for spoilers, since the show only aired Monday here.
[spoiler]We still watch this and haven’t given up yet, but it’s boring to watch a show that even someone like me, who doesn’t read the comics, knows what’s going to happen and to whom. For example, Fish isn’t in the comics so she’s free to die at any time (and I wish she would), whereas Penguin isn’t; he has to be there when Batman grows up. So the scenes where he is in danger don’t affect me at all and I frequently use those moments to take a bathroom or kitchen break. Same for Catwoman and even Bruce himself. Similarly, why do I care about Gordon’s new love interest after Barbara leaves him, when I know good and well that he ends up with Barbara in the end anyway, and raises his brother’s daughter, also named Barbara, who will eventually become Batgirl?
At the end of the recent episode, Julian Sands guest stars as a villain and makes it without getting caught or killed, which means he might show up again. He uses peoples’ fears against them as he kills them. So my immediate reaction was Scarecrow. And I do this with almost everyone they introduce.[/spoiler]
Anyway…
Well, except altho we do know there is a Penguin and a Scarecrow, etc- we dont know they are the same people. Mind you, Penguin is the real star of Gotham, so I think he will be around for a while…
So you don’t like prequels. Also, how often does the main/title character die? They end up in perilous cliff hangers all the time. We know they aren’t going to die. A decently told story should keep your attention anyway.
I’d like to see them give Penguin some conflicts and dilemmas that don’t involve him being in constant danger of being horribly beaten, tortured and killed though. It gets a little nerve-racking after awhile.
I don’t know where they’re going with Barbara. She isn’t very redeemable to me at this point.
Eventually, he’s bound to realize he should keep a concealed weapon at the ready.
Or, you know- *check the damn cylinders. *
(Ps, Blanks at that sort of range would have really hurt. )
I’m thinking that Jim Gordon meets up with another Barbara who isn’t quite such an annoying turd.
I seriously think this is the solution they come up with. I’m sure they’re aware that Barbara 1 isn’t working.
Barbara’s lack of likeability is the fault of the writers, not the actress. The script compels her to do and say stupid and hate-able things. I hope it doesn’t hurt the actress.
There are two different “Barbara” who were married to Jim. It doesn’t appear they meant for him to have married two different Barbara’s, just a continuity error or perhaps more likely just that her maiden name was Barbara Eileen Kean.
In one story-line she’s dead, in another they are divorced.
Also note that in the comics (and of course this changes) Jim was married to her as a Chicago police lieutenant before coming to Gotham.
Later he marries Sarah Essen Gordon.
Note that in two story-lines “Barbara “Babs” Gordon/BatGirl” is his biological daughter, in another she is his niece- and sometimes adopted.
So, the story has changed enuf in the comics to allow the writers of Gotham a lot of wriggle-room. Already they have changed canon, anyway.
I have a prediction and am wondering if anyone else got the same vibe . . .
I’ll spoiler for those that haven’t seen the last episode
At the end when the pirate / militia guy bursts in on Fish and they stare each other down, looking like they’re going to pounce, I think they’re actually going to embrace and we’ll find out they were once lovers or something like that.
I thought they might be brother and sister, but either way I’m kind of expecting a friendly hug after the initial “I told you I’d kill you the next time I see you” charge.
Is it just me, or have the last three episodes or so featured a marked increase in people managing to escape death by gunfire under improbable circumstances?
I thought for a split second that Penguin was going to sway Moroni yet again by pretending to threaten Moroni only because he feared not being believed anymore. But then he had to go and try to shoot him. Oh, well.
Is anyone still watching?
Last night’s episode had a lot of idiot ball handling, with an oversized dose of plot protection.
I’m still watching, though last night I didn’t give it my undivided attention like I usually do. I still enjoy it for the most part, but I’m over Fish and I’m very much over Jim’s love life.
I see the Grayson’s were introduced; did we meet the Boy Wonder to be? That was the part were I wasn’t paying attention and so didn’t really get what that whole scenario was about.
Yeah, look, I get it, she’s a strong female and their only original character. But she’s boring and should be dead.
Dick wouldnt be born yet, or he’d be a toddler.
Why does Wayne manor have a staff of 1? Why no security?
Fish seems to be very much a love-or-hate character. I’m squarely on the ‘love’ side.
Agreed on Gordon’s romantic life, though. I’m especially annoyed by Dr. Thompkins. If they desperately wanted to introduce that ditzy, freewheeling, bamboozled-by-a-psychic girlfriend for Gordon, then don’t ask me to believe her as an accomplished woman of science. And don’t ask me to believe that the city’s Medical Examiner doesn’t know how to compartmentalize her love life and be a professional at work.
Too early for Dick Grayson to be alive. Gordon’s inspirational speech about settling a century-old feud convinced his parents to get engaged.
The best part was probably being introduced to the Graysons. I don’t think we saw Robin yet, but we met his young parents. Poor, doomed parents.
Gordon’s new GF is just weird. Supposedly she’s a good guy, and just charmingly eccentric or something, but I got a seriously weird vibe off her and her insistence that psychic powers are real. Of course, in comic book land, psychic powers are real, but still…
I hope they don’t think I feel sorry for Barbara, gettin’ all dressed up and stuff.
Fish’s story was trying a bit too hard, but they’re doing a good job of making me like her and hate her evil, eeeeeeevil guts at the same time.
Now the ending was cool. I was a bit surprised Fish’s main henchman got dispatched so easily. Well, he wasn’t, exactly. That bald guy is some seriously sick and twisted evil.