Starts September 19 (today as I type this)
We left last season with Hugo Strange’s experiments escaping, and we had explicit mention of The Court of Owls.
Personally I think the spoiler rules be anything that is officially aired is fair game. That includes previews for next week and commercials. But if the consensus is to box those I’d be OK.
Brian
The only thing I really remember from last year that needs addressing is that there was… something… that escaped that looked like Brucey.
I barely remember where we left off. Looking forward to it though. Isn’t Gordon heading off to Florida to find his girlfriend or something?
Looks like they’re going for maximum efficiency: the evil twin already has amnesia - two tropes in one.
I missed the last few episodes of the last season because of the facacta practice of showing a rerun two weeks in a row then airing a first run then the next week preempting it for something else. I got so fed up I assumed the season was over and just stopped tuning in. Not sure what to put in spoiler boxes but the evil twin was already mentioned so, can anyone tell me what’s up with that? Is that a character from the comic books? I could have sworn fat bodyguard guy had been killed(?) but apparently not? Wasn’t he shot or brutally beaten or some such or am I confusing him with another goon? Apparently the producers did not get my memo demanding no more Mooney but at least Barbara is back, even more psycho than ever. Finally, can someone remind me what happened to Jim’s girlfriend?
I’m glad Butch is still around around, and still sticking with Penguin despite everything that’s been done to him. I guess Penguin’s now the most powerful crime boss in Gotham, in the absence of anyone more competent and Fish Mooney’s seeming disinterest in taking up her old profession.
I know Gordon was trying to get Leslie to leave Gotham because it was too dangerous, but I don’t remember if he conviced her or they had a falling out and that made her leave (I’m leaning towards the latter)
Brian
I don’t think it was a falling out, so much as Le realized Gordon was going to put his job in front of her and her baby, so she got out while the getting was good. Apparently to find someone that put her first.
In real life, isn’t she busy having her baby with Ben McKenzie?
We all know the truth, lets stop pussyfooting, she ran away with Deadpool.
Yeah, and Gordon was just a rebound after Malcolm.
No, she CHEATED with Deadpool, then came back. (Deadpool filmed in between the two seasons of Gotham, and was released in the middle of season 2.)
Anyway…fairly weak opening to the season, but it could pick up.
One assumes the Court intended to replace Bruce with the clone (counter theory - he’s not a clone, he’s the Gotham version of Lincoln Marsh (AKA Thomas Wayne, jr), though he was younger in the comics), so I’d wager he was intended to be the centrepoint to the season. (Apparently the writers changed direction after deciding they liked the version of Mad Hatter they’d created.) It’ll be interesting to see how things go with him (even with the changed direction).
Is Bruce going to start bulking up eventually?! How the hell is this skinny twerp supposed to become Batman?
This has got to be the first show I’ve ever seen with NO positive response whatsoever on ANY of the message boards that’s managed to make it to a third season. (It’s currently running 71 on Metacritic, for whatever that’s worth.) That’s got to be some achievement. As for me…I like it. I enjoy watching intense action sequences, volatile personalities bouncing off of each other, and the unpredictability of where and how disaster will strike next. It’s pretty much that simple. I’ve never given much of a rip about “continuity” or what the Gotham City mythos “should” be like (seriously, anyone who’s paid any attention to the comics, cartoon series, and/or movies and still thinks there’s anything sacred here is seriously deluded). While I think there have been some missteps (should’ve brought in a predecessor to Mr. Freeze instead of reworking his origin yet again, dragged Jim Gordon through the mud a bit too much, really need to fish or cut bait with Fish Mooney), there hasn’t been anything I’d identify as a fatal, “that’s it, I’m done with this crap” moment. Thus far it’s working for what it is, and honestly, I don’t see anything better on Monday night.
Here’s three characters I’ll be keeping an eye on this season:
Ivy Pepper (the future Poison Ivy), who got aged up by one of the Indian Hill patients and apparently is going to attempt to seduce Bruce Wayne in the future. The Mary Sue was absolutely apoplectic about this. Me, I’m mainly concerned about whether this will finally give her some relevance. Let’s be honest, we know next to nothing about her; heck, Victor Zsasz has more depth right now. If it turns out she discovers a knack for making men weak in the knees, and she learns she can use this ability for her own ends, I can possibly see this working.
Fish Mooney. This is where the show really has their chips down; they HAVE to make this work now or else she could drag the whole franchise into the drink. In particular, one huge question is looming: Why did she spare Penguin’s life? Doesn’t matter what the payout is, but I want to see Fish as a real threat, I want her to face real dangers, and I want her motivations to ultimately make some modicum of sense. The premiere seems to be headed in the right direction. We’ll see.
Captain Barnes. First off, let me say how amazed I am by the sheer longevity of this character. We’ve had cops and captains and commissioners slaughtered or hounded into retirement left and right, and after well over a year, this stubborn, snarling hardass (who’s already been seriously wounded once) is still large and in charge. I don’t know about you all, but I’m certainly impressed. I have to think that the writers have something bigger planned for him, that he’s going to serve a greater cause, but he’s about the last person in the damn show I’d expect to have any ins with Hugo Strange or the Court of Owls. Just how long can this bull keep charging before he’s brought down?
This show needs more Riddler. When are they going to spring him from the slammer?
Two episodes in and I’m finding it slow going so far. They seem to have completely dispensed with the villain of the week or even the villain of the month that gave previous seasons’ episodes their structure. I’m really not enamored with the return of Fish Mooney. I found Valerie Vale interesting right until the moment she started smooching Jim Gordon. Now she just exists to come between Jim and Lee.
So, from her momentary contact with the guy that causes aging, Ivy grew up from an awkward teenage girl to a smoking-hot woman? It’s like they’ve completely given up on the Batman idea - by the time he shows up, Gotham will be crowded with costumed nutcases. He’ll barely be noticed.
Is your complaint the Ivy age shift? She’s 19 or 20, Bruce is what, 15 or 16? In or 5 years that’s “in the noise” as regards to any Batman vs Ivy conflicts.
I think having the city swarming with costumed crazies makes it a bit less crazy for Bruce to do it too.
I was surprised the Bruce clone went straight to Bruce. I was expecting him to be Evil Bruce, but so far it doesn’t seem that way.
The thing about Ivy that bugged me was she found the one nice man in Gotham who probably wasn’t going to take advantage of her in some way and what does she do? Kill him for not watering his plants.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: a body like Michael Keaton’s doesn’t just happen.
No, just that all the major villains (except the Joker, apparently) are going to be well-established by the time Bruce decides to go batty. This is a reversal of how things played out in the comics and if Gotham really was beset by superpowered villains, the cops would have to have military-style rules of engagement and would be killing them rather than arresting them, making Batman’s presence (if he chooses to be a nonlethal vigilante) redundant at best.
It’s actually already annoying, in the sense that when the show started, the premise was that Gotham was near-entirely corrupt (or well on its way, with the murder of the Waynes being a major indicator), with a police force that routinely murdered people. Are they suddenly nicer and gentler at a time when the criminals they meet are becoming significantly more dangerous?
So–wait. The Bruce-clone is Man-Bat. Got that.
But who are the (Marvel-style) Cloak and Dagger pair? One is a teleporting (or super-fast) blonde) and the other is a goth punk with belts on his face. Are they existing characters or new for the show?
3 episodes in and I’m liking this season more than the last one. This one (so far) feels like they’ve thought ahead to a larger plot, where as last season felt more like they were making it up as they were going.
Also, since this series seems to be happening more-or-less in realtime, it’s been about 3 years since the Waynes were murdered. Shouldn’t Bruce be doing something more than boxing lessons with Alfred? Studing criminology? Forensics? Detective stuff? Martial Arts? Anything? He’s only got about 4 more seasons before he’ll need to put on the cape.