Grade-school teachers and the no Pokemon rule

There are a few reasons I can imagine for a limit on Pokemon.

First, you may not realize it, but there is a raft of Pokemon books out there whose quality is about on par with the cartoon show’s quality–that is, they suck shit. And a lot of kids love them just as much. A teacher may be wanting kids to expose themselves to quality children’s literature (and we’re kind of in a golden age of children’s literature right now), and so may exclude Pokemon in order to get kids to read the good stuff.

Second, students given the opportunity to write fiction often want to write retellings of the Pokemon cartoon they just watched (or the Spiderman movie they just watched or whatever). When students use someone else’s characters, they’re missing out on one of the joys and trials of writing fiction: inventing one’s own characters.

As a second-grade teacher, I absolutely allow students to read Pokemon books. My first year of teaching I thought I was going to have to fail one student, because her reading was so poor. She strongly resisted practicing reading with the “just right” books I provided. Then she started bringing in one of those shit-sucking Pokemon books and reading it every chance she got. It was far more difficult than the books I’d been giving her, and she really struggled with it. Key word: struggled. She didn’t resist it at all, but rather she worried at it like a tiny dog with a giant bone, desperately trying to get her mental jaws around it. I credit her passing of second grade to Pokemon. She loved Pokemon, and only Pokemon, enough to work at it; and it working at it, she developed her reading skills to grade-level.

Now, I have rules. We just started a unit on nonfiction, and today in the library I required every child to check out at least one nonfiction book on a topic of their choice. When a kid brought me a Pokemon handbook from the 745 section (I think), I nixed it, just as I nixed the I Spy books (and would have nixed fairy tales from the 398 section): books like that blur the line between fiction and nonfiction, and it’s a fairly hard concept for most kids anyway.

And I also forbid Pokemon in fiction writing (not reading), as part of a broader rule. I explain that any characters someone else created belong to that author, and students need to create their own characters. I’ll help them create their own ninjas or dragons or superheroes or whatever, but they can’t use someone else’s characters.

I discourage use of Pokemon in nonfiction: as I tell them, if I want to find out the plot of Saturday’s Pokemon cartoon, I’ll watch the fuckin cartoon myself, I don’t want to read their blow-by-blow of it. But I’ll allow it in some cases, such as the kid who described how he and his brother worked together to hook up the Xbox, sat down on the couch, and played, and how he let his brother win because the brother was younger. That’s good stuff there, even if Pokemon is involved.

So I’d be thrilled if a kid brought me that document. As a parent, I think I’d encourage the kid to do it anyway: even if the teacher’s a pill, I think it’s a valuable experience in speaking up to unreasonable authority, and it’s quite possible the teacher’s not a pill and will get a kick out of it.

Bricker’s a poor liar. This thread is just a convenient way to gage teacher’s and the public’s responses to a more Poke-centric curriculum that he wants schools to introduce. :wink:

Heck, he probably has one of these in his briefcase!

The explanation my husband’s class got was that they didn’t fit in the desks they had, being a bit larger than normal three ring binders.
Being the ‘in’ thing when we were kids, perhaps some teacher saw them as contributing to clique mentality… though banning them wouldn’t really solve anything in that regard.

I’m an English teacher, and I’ve banned my students from talking about their parents. I teach in China, where filial piety is alive and well, and my students LOVE to talk about their parents. What would you take with you on a desert island? Parents. Who do you know who has lived an interesting life? Parents. What do you hope to do when you grow up? Take care of parents. What would you do with a million dollars? Give it to parents. Given the chance, they can steer any topic into a homily about their parents.

I had to ban it.

Why? Because that one subjects gets shoved into every activity, and often it truly isn’t appropriate. Rather than micro-managing when it is and is not relevant (and having to go through lengthy explanations for each individual case that I forbid it) it’s a lot more disrupting just to ban the topic. Furthermore, always going back to the same topic limits a student’s range of thinking, and can become a handy excuse for not pushing your intellectual limits. A teacher’s job is always to arouse intellectual curiosity, no matter what subject they are teaching, and having one subject so dominate the course dampens that. While Pokeman can be intellectually stimulating, if that’s the ONLY thing you are thinking of, you are missing out on a lot.

See, LHoD’s policy makes perfect sense. As does even sven’s. If you’re going to ban a topic, you should have a rationale behind it. Maybe this teacher did have a rationale, but it wasn’t communicated to the kids and/or parents.

As far as Pokemon and reading–I hear ya! My son was in that “just on the verge of starting to read” stage for, oh, about a year and a half. He was in special reading help in first grade. He’s plenty bright, so nobody knew what the problem was. But when he started playing Pokemon, he had a motivation to start to really read.

He went from “The cat sat on the mat” to “Once during your turn (before your attack ),when you put Gliscor Lv.X from your hand onto your active Gliscor, you may choose one of the defending Pokemon. That Pokemon is now paralyzed and poisoned” overnight. It was amazing.

Now, in second grade, he’s reading well above grade level. And he’s starting to read for pleasure, too. :slight_smile: He would have turned the corner and started to read eventually, but man, Pokemon sure worked wonders.

Gather 'round, kids, and let Professor Beanstalk give you a little history lesson:

Pokemon was a gigantic fad around 1999-2001. It’s from Japan, and had been popular there for a while before, and it took the U.S. by storm. The company that had the rights milked the fad for all that it was worth and ran the brand right into the ground. But it was still popular in Japan.

Around 2004, Nintendo took over management of Pokemon in North America. They took a very different approach. It seems that they are trying to develop Pokemon into an established worldwide cash-cow of a franchise. And they certainly have experience with that. It’s pretty amazing that Mario and Donkey Kong are still video game stars 30 years after they were first introduced.

I don’t know any actual sales figures on Pokemon products, but attendance at company-sponsored tournaments has been growing at approximately 20% per year for the past few years. Of course the vast majority of people who buy the cards and video games and other products don’t go to tournaments, but the growth of organized play is a measure of the brand’s health and prospects.

So Pokemon is indeed not as popular among kids as it once was, but it is popular and getting more so.

To add to what Green Bean said about the popularity with kids, the games have appeal to an older crowd as well. I was in high school when the original Red/Blue came out and it was a mild sensation amongst the gaming crowd even then. They’re brilliantly designed and balanced RPGs with tons of replay value; simply use different Pokemon and the way you play is completely different. “Gotta’ catch 'em all!” also perfectly describes another lure of the game- completionists and people that crave unlocking achievements get a great fix from the series. Even without the massive anime/card game/toys bit, Pokemon would be an extremely popular series with gamers due to their quality.

Bricker, you asked in the OP:

Your child had this teacher for a year and you think that we might have insight into the answer to that that you wouldn’t have? Would you have posted this question if you thought there was no chance that this might seem challenging or disrespectful? What made you suspect that this might be seen as disrespectful?

Is it possible that a randomly chosen person from the teacher factory would see this as a challenge? Would the time of day and the experiences that the teacher had had affect the teacher’s response to BrickBrack?

I’m curious about when your son plans to present this to the teacher. When the teacher is preparing for class? During a class? While the teacher is on duty at curbside after school? In the hall between classes? Should he make an appointment to see the teacher?

I hope that she is genuinely excited about the way he has learned to apply his new skill successfully. After all, he did that on his time and not her time and he has now made a special trip back to show her what he can do with what he learned.

But if he has as his motive to change her mind about using Pokemon in the classroom, then you should talk with him about a long list of possible motives she might have for banning Pokemon. Ask him if his presentation to her would change that situation or would the problem still be there.

BTW, Pokemon made it into our family Thanksgiving Dinner prayers when our grandson, who was very young at the time, said that he was grateful for Pokemon. I told him a few minutes later that that was a good thing to be thankful for. But his uncle overheard me and overruled me and the grandson. He said that it was a terrible prayer and very rude. Oh well. Grammys and uncles have different roles. I get to be honest.

Allow me to fix a few of the errors in this history lesson.

One, Nintendo has always managed the Pokemon franchise. They own the whole thing, lock, stock and barrel.

Two, calling Pokemon a fad is a bit shortsighted. Yes, the game/manga/show’s popularity were at their peak from 1999-2001. But to say they’re unpopular now is ridiculous. They’ve just been replaced in kid-dom by other stuff, but the games still still millions of copies a year (and a new one is coming out in two weeks). Not only is the television series still in production, but a new episode just aired on Cartoon Network an hour ago. They even still make Pokemon movies, but stopped releasing them in theaters because the audience for Pokemon theatrical releases isn’t as big as the one for direct-to-DVD movies.

So basically, the brand was never ran into the ground, it just stopped being top dog so its less noticeable than it used to be. The games are actually more popular than they’ve ever been.

Allow me to fix some of your errors:

TCG was managed by Wizards of the Coast in the United States during the early period.

NOBODY has said that Pokemon is not popular now. One person said that she wasn’t aware that it was still popular. That’s all.

And it was definitely a “fad” in 1999-2001. Just because something is a fad doesn’t mean that it disappears after the fad is over.

Well, I guess that all depends on what your definition of “run into the ground” is. Compare Wizards of the Coast’s management of Pokemon to their management of Magic: The Gathering.

Oh, I get it. You’re talking about the collectible card game.

That’s just one small bit of the Pokemon empire and not even the largest part. The cartoon, manga and video game were all introduced earlier. The card game was just a natural outgrowth of that.

As for who runs Pokemon, it has always been run by Nintendo. Full stop. They approve everything. They license out to other companies to produce the cards and the anime, but Pokemon is theirs, completely.

And you and I have very different definitions of fad if something is more popular today than it was during the “fad” years.

During my career as an elementary school teacher, I banned three items from coming into the classroom.

  1. Cabbage Patch Kids, around 1984 or whenever they came out. The reason: They were completely antithetical to learning how to get along with others. Kids brought them in and then wanted to sit there playing with them–alone–at recess time and other free times. The dolls were “too special” to allow others to play too. My rule had always been that you had to share toys you brought from home; when it became clear that this was never going to happen with the Cabbage Patch toys (which took about 3 days) I banned their sorry asses.

  2. Tamagotchis, if I’m spelling it right. This would have been the late nineties. They had become popular at the end of one school year but had avoided my classroom. That was NOT the case when September rolled around. The first day of school it sounded like a bunch of cicadas, only more annoying. I remember telling a child to please sit back in her seat when she got up to defuse her Tamagotchi. She gave me a stricken look. A few minutes later it happened again with somebody else. I sent a letter home the next day: “Hi, families! We’re off to a great start! A new rule, though: No tamagotchis allowed.”

  3. Pokemon cards. I really tried to allow these. I saw the enthusiasm that kids had for them. I liked how they brought kids together to talk about the cards and the characters. I liked the push toward reading and math. Unlike the tamagotchis, they didn’t intrude on class time. But the cards were valuable, and that was a problem. One child mislaid a card that was “worth ten dollars.” He insisted it had been stolen, practically demanded that I strip-search everyone else. His mom was not happy (with me, not with him). This kind of thing happened several times. Three strikes and you’re out: Bye-bye, Pokemon.

In general, I absolutely agree with what even sven and Left Hand of Dorkness have to say about the need to focus children’s attention elsewhere, that Too Much Pokemon (or parents, or horses, or anything) is ultimately not helpful. Just wanted to point out that at least one teacher (me) found the cards problematic as well.

By the way, a cute tale about a girl who wrote the same-themed story again and again (not Pokemon), and her teacher’s attempt to fix the problem, can be found here: PDS Math Guy: Sleepovers.

I did know that they still sold Pokemon games and that kids still play them, but not that it was still some sort of huge obsession that a teacher would feel the need to automatically ban from the classroom. I mean, I think they still sell Cabbage Patch Kids, but, if I wanted to buy one for my kid, I wouldn’t need to beat the other moms off with a stick the way moms did in 1983.

I guess if I had thought about it more, I’d have realized Pokemon does have quite a bit of staying power. I have played the video games, and they are quite good. In fact, the new ones are so deep and the universes are so big that I just don’t have the extra time to devote to them.

My husband is a Cub Scout leader, and he noticed that a lot of the boys in his pack collected Pokemon cards, but they didn’t know how to play the game, so he set up some time at a local game store to teach any interested kids how to play. I guess it’s a good thing we saved all those old cards from 10 years ago! My husband also won points with the boys by having our daughter draw Bulbasaur on his Pinewood Derby car.