Graham Hancock is one of the best researchers

[ChainGangis2Sweet]

Graham Hancock is one of the best researchers

Here’s a video with Graham Hancock in it, explaining the basics of history and research
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=916512397391844400&q=atlantis&pl=true

Has anyone read his books or seen him on tv?

Here’s Graham Hancock’s site with a good introduction
http://www.grahamhancock.com/underworld/

Between 17,000 years ago and 7000 years ago, at the end of the last Ice Age, terrible things happened to the world our ancestors lived in. Great ice caps over northern Europe and north America melted down, huge floods ripped across the earth, sea-level rose by more than 100 metres, and about 25 million square kilometres of formerly habitable lands were swallowed up by the waves.

Marine archaeology has been possible as a scholarly discipline for about 50 years - since the introduction of scuba. In that time, according to Nick Flemming, the doyen of British marine archaeology, only 500 submerged sites have been found worldwide containing the remains of any form of man-made structure or of lithic artefacts. Of these sites only 100 - that’s 100 in the whole world! - are more than 3000 years old.

This is not because of a shortage of potential sites. It is at least partly because a large share of the limited funds available for marine archaeology goes into the discovery and excavation of shipwrecks. This leaves a shortage of diving archaeologists interested in underwater structures and a shortage of money to pay for the extremely expensive business of searching - possibly fruitlessly - for very ancient, eroded, silt-covered ruins at great depths under water. Moreover, with the recent exception of Bob Ballard’s survey of the Black Sea for the National Geographic Society, marine archaeology has simply not concerned itself with the possibility that the post-glacial floods might in any way be connected to the problem of the rise of civilisations. ( http://www.ngnews.com/news/2000/11/1103200…acksea_3252.asp )

In 1997 a chain of mountains almost 2000 kilometres long and more than 3000 metres high was discovered in the South Pacific. Nobody ever knew the mountains were there before because they are under water - as, in fact, is 70 per cent of the earth’s surface. Marine archaeologists – who are looking for targets much smaller than mountain-ranges under the sea – can therefore be forgiven for finding just 100 submerged sites more than 3000 years old in the past half century. Even at the crude mapping level, it is one of the absurdities of scientific priorities that we now have a better map of the surface of Venus than we do of the 225 million square kilometres of our own planet’s sea-floor.

On land it is obvious that archaeology still has much more work to do before it can honestly claim to have fully understood (rather than merely theorised about) the process by which the great civilisations of ancient history arose. Vast areas of the earth’s surface - the Sahara Desert, for example (which was green for 4000 years at the end of the Ice Age) - have hardly benefited from the attentions of archaeologists at all. And even in countries like Egypt which have been intensively excavated for more than a century new discoveries can still be made that call established views and chronologies into question.

In December 2000 excavations at Abydos in Upper Egypt by a University of Pennsylvania/University of New York team demonstrated that the intriguing religious practise of boat burial - for example the so-called solar boat of Khufu buried on the south side of the Great Pyramid of Giza - is very likely to have predynastic origins. A fleet of 14 boats found buried at Abydos a decade ago were originally assigned to the mortuary complex of Pharaoh Khasekhemwy of the Second Dynasty (circa 2675 BC). However, after thoroughly examining one of the boats (a sophisticated narrow-prowed “sewn” boat about 23 metres long made of wooden planks lashed together with rope), the excavators now believe that “the ships were buried some centuries before Khasekhemwy’s enclosure was built. The fleet may have been intended for use in the afterlife of a much earlier pharaoh, perhaps even Aha [circa 2920 BC], the First Dynasty ruler of Egypt…” ( http://www.archaeology.org/online/news/abydos.html ) If this is the case, since the boat-burials at Abydos are far from being the work of beginners, then it seems obvious that the practise – and the entire wonderful religious apparatus that goes with it – must predate the First Dynasty.

But by how much?

Nobody knows.

Another interesting development also announced in December 2000 was the discovery of a group of very unusual ancient tombs at Elkab in Upper Egypt. The Elkab tombs are thought to date to the Second Dynasty, although the site itself has yielded evidence of continuous occupation from 8000 years ago until about 2000 years ago. The tombs are circular stone structures (with diameters of 18 to 20 metres) which in two cases were carefully arranged around large natural boulders. They have been compared with the Neolithic funeral mounds of Europe and, as the Belgian excavators admit, are of a type “thus far unknown in Egypt”. ( http://www.usatoday.com/weather/science/ar…tdawn121200.htm )

So much then for the archaeologists having the whole picture about the evolution and development of any civilisation - even ancient Egypt which has been the subject of more archaeological investigation than any other.

But now let’s remember as well that along continental margins and around islands across the world an area bigger than the Unites States of America was inundated at the end of the Ice Age: 3 million square kilometres (an area the size of India) was submerged around Greater Australia alone; another 3 million square kilometres went under around South-East Asia; the Florida, Yucatan and Grand Bahama Banks were fully-exposed off the Gulf of Mexico; huge areas of land were swallowed up in the Mediterranean, the Black Sea, the North Sea and the Atlantic, etc, etc, etc - the list really does goes on and on.

In my view the possibility of a serious “black hole” in scientific knowledge about recent prehistory is plausible, reasonable and worthy of consideration. I therefore propose that the conclusions of modern archaeology regarding the origins and early evolution of human civilisation should be treated as provisional until a comprehensive, global, marine-archaeological survey of continental shelves down to depths of at least 120 metres has been undertaken.

Here are his books
http://www.grahamhancock.com/library/bookshop.php

He has done an incredibly successful job of challenging and pointing out the flaws of many conventional views about the past and history. He’s very intelligent, knowledgable and experienced.

An interesting one is Heaven’s Mirror : Quest for the Lost Civilization"

Quote:
Hancock’s previous work, including the popular and controversial Fingerprints of the Gods, has drawn criticism for its leaps of faith and allegedly pseudoscientific conclusions, but Heaven’s Mirror proves at least a little more substantial. His chief thesis is that numerous ancient sites and monuments–the pyramids of Mexico and Egypt, the ruins of Angkor Wat in Cambodia, the monuments of Yonaguni in the Pacific, and the megaliths of Peru and Bolivia–are situated in such a way, geodetically, that they point towards some separate and uniform influence, some lost civilization or “invisible college” of astronomer-priests. And that civilization, as evidenced in the mathematics and architecture of the sites, points towards some gnosis, or body of knowledge, that would allow humanity to transcend the trap of mortality, a worldview in which the knowledge-giving serpent of Eden is not a villain but a hero.

short clip from Heaven’s Mirror

- YouTube

Here is an interesting article by him:
http://www.grahamhancock.com/underworld/un…underworld1.php

quote from article about it

the basic theory:
Quote:
"First of all, there is a common legacy of all these world wide ancient civilizations that they do not even address. This legacy lies not in the ‘modern’ myth of Atlantis, but in the myths and legends of each of these civilizations which make common reference to cataclysms, especially floods, similar gods or god experiences, and precessional and other astronomically significant numbers, etc, etc. The writing, architecture, and agriculture of these ancients are by products of their development which had its roots in a lost civilization of 12000 years ago. Who today remembers his great grandfather much less thousands of years ago, yet we are subtly influenced by him in ways unknown to us. We have built our lives on the legacy of our ancestors.

A survivor of some cataclysm, say a flood, who barely escapes with his life, lands on an island that was a mountain top with little or nothing left of his former life but the knowledge and resourcefulness of how to survive. He may have used a computer or driven a car, but he can’t build one nor does he have the materials. He may have organizational skills, however, and be able to bring order to a confused more primitive people who have become cannibalistic as well as chaotic as they crowd together on the top of this mountain. Although he , of course, can read and write, there is nothing to read and no one can read what he writes, so he draws pictures to communicate where language does not work. Others copy his pictures and add their own personality to them until after many millennia a system of picture writing has been established. A system used to record the memory of ‘he’ who taught them in the beginning.

Likewise,the use of certain building techniques spring from those first shelters that ‘he’ helped them build. Certain architectural styles stem from ‘his’ own architectural background. These are modified to fit the materials and function of their civilization.

Though ‘he’ probably was not keeping seeds on board ‘his’ boat at the time of ‘his’ escape, ‘he’ knows enough about planting to make use of the indigenous plant life in order to introduce agriculture. Most people today have a basic understanding of growing food which they could use in a time of crisis. Again ‘his’ agriculture would be in keeping with the resources at hand. As the years went by, everything ‘he’ taught them would appear as if it were developed by the people themselves.

The legacy of the ancients of the lost civilization lies in their knowledge and know-how. They imparted this to those lesser informed, then died. Some of the knowledge was retained and passed on either in myths or in functionality as in the development of structures, agriculture, and picture writing. Around the world this development would be similar, but appropriate to the area that each ancient influenced. And there was a universal symbol left by the ancients, which even school children know, --the serpent, with or without feathers."

Any “conventional” scientists who have tried to discredit him, got soundly defeated and embarassed
http://www.grahamhancock.com/horizon/default.htm

quote:
In an unprecedented step, the Broadcasting Standards Commission, an organisation appointed to uphold standards and fairness in UK broadcasting, has found the BBC guilty of unfairly representing alternative history authors Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval in a programme broadcast in November of last year.

The BBC 2 programme, entitled Atlantis Reborn, was part of the flagship Horizon strand of science-oriented documentaries. The programme-makers, Bettina Lerner (series editor), Christopher Hale (director/producer), and Julian Hudson (researcher), claimed to provide a balanced and objective "testing" of unorthodox theories relating to the development of human civilisation. Now the Broadcasting Standards Commission has judged that the central part of their attack on Hancock and Bauval was unfair. It appears this is the first time in Horizon's 35-year history that it has been found guilty of unfairness by an independent commission. The BSC's finding is therefore a severe blow to Horizon's well-established reputation for even-handedness.

Graham Hancock has raised many issues ignored by conventional scientists. He has done a good job of challenging the commonly held beliefs, and has withstood and answered scrutiny. His work is definitley based in reality and facts. It shows there are lost civilizations far back in history long before how far the current understanding goes.

I remember a show where he showed that the bimini road blocks, are all raised above the sea floor about 6 inches, by almost cone shaped( but stable, not pointed on the end) pillars at each corner. That doesn’t look natural. He pointed out that the geologists who claimed it was natural did not even probably look underneath the blocks, or completely ignored that part.

The Underworld show showed, that at least some of them, are still propped above the ground by stones at the corners. WHy? Well, it would be a mystery then, like stonehenge

And even though this article claims there are no blocks placed on top of each other at bimini, I saw on the Underworld show that there are smaller pillar blocks placed underneath at the corners, almost holding the main blocks off the ground by several inches. There’ also the fact that geologists themselves can’t even agree on the age.
http://www.intersurf.com/~chalcedony/Bimini1.html
in like 10,000 years a lot of things are going to just simply disappear, or perhaps be only known in a few small traditions.

There are also some interesting above water sites around the bimini area. Ones that were not first discovered by archaeologists, but by the ARE( association of research and enlightenment) organization.
http://edgarcayce.org/am/biminiexpedition.html
He also showed there are clear cut man made archways, with astrological alignments underwater near Malta. The art around Malta is very similar to stone age, spiral-like art. There were teeth found near malta in a cave layer only possible at 12,000 years ago. Many skulls or skeletons from that cave mysteriously dissapeared and have never been dated. And then he found underwater clear cut archways and temples at Malta.
We know ancient cultures were very concerned with Feng Shui and astronomy, Grahan Hancock I’m sure is correct in his theories, as they are quite detailed and clearly documented with evidence, and the fact I just said, Feng Shui is a big part of ancient knowledge in many cultures.

Another thing that shows his knowledge, the Yonaguni megalith. 10 years ago several scientist who examined it thought it was natural, or maybe only altered by humans. Dr. Robert Schoch and John Anthony West thought it was natural upon first examination. However, even higher level scientists like Dr. Kimura stated, and risked their reputatiopn in stating it was man-made. Graham Hanock also thought it was man made, I believe. Now, with the newer discoveries of the giant statue and standium in another area nearby, I don’t think many people think it’s natural anymore

Short clip about it

Yonaguni underwater structures

Here’s a really good article on it-
http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/index.php?news=1678

Here’s a site with a lot of info an various underwater meagaliths including the “Bimini Road”
http://www.altarcheologie.nl/index.html?co…aracters_01.htm

[CalMeacham]

If you’re really serious – and it looks as if you are – you really do need to broaden your reading. There’s plenty of criticism of Hancock and his theories (and of Bauval, too). There’s a great deal more than the few points Hancock highlighted in his communications with the BBC. I think that if you tried to get the vast majority of archaeologists, historians, astronomers, and others to buy inmto his theory of world-girdling monument-building civilizations many thousands of years before the recognized rise of Egypt, Sumeria, or India, I think you’d meet quite a lot of resistance – and not because Hancock isn’t a member of any “club”.

[ChainGangis2Sweet]

And his new work , it’s about altered states of conciousness and “Shamanism”-
http://www.grahamhancock.com/supernatural/

Short video clip of an interview with Graham Hancock about Supernatural
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLtWv6D4_6E…raham%20hancock

[“Supernatural: Due to or manifesting some agency above the forces of nature, outside of the ordinary operation of cause and effect.”]
Supernatural

* The evolution of modern humans has taken more than five million years but until less than 50,000 years ago we had no art, no religion, no sophisticated symbolism, no creative and innovative thinking, and quite possibly no language. Then, a dramatic and electrifying change overtook our ancestors in every part of the globe, and all the skills and qualities that we value most highly in ourselves today appeared suddenly, already fully formed, as though bestowed on us by hidden powers. Scientists describe this change as “the greatest riddle in human history”.
* The first art of mankind, in the painted caves and rock-shelters of southwest Europe and South Africa, dates back to the time of the great change. Why do these ancient paintings, tens of thousands of years old, depict beings of a kind that are never found in nature – strange and eerie hybrids with the heads of animals and the bodies of humans?
* In the depths of the Amazon rainforest tribal shamans drink a powerful hallucinogenic brew called Ayahuasca (“the vine of souls”) in order to induce visions. When they return to normal consciousness, after experiencing what they believe is out-of-body travel in the spirit world, they make paintings of the “intelligent beings” they have encountered. Why are many of these beings also depicted as uncanny hybrids with the heads of animals or serpents and the bodies of humans? And why do the shamans say that they have taught them everything they know about how to live in the jungle, and about the medicinal value of rainforest plants?
* Why do Western lab volunteers, placed experimentally under the influence of hallucinogens such as DMT, psilocybin, mescaline and LSD, report visionary encounters with “beings” in the form of animal-human hybrids – beings identical to those the Amazonian shamans claim to meet and to those painted by our ancestors in the prehistoric caves?
* What is the significance of the astonishing similarities between the entities known as “aliens”, ET’s” or “greys” in modern popular culture, the entities known as “fairies”, “elves” and “goblins” in the Middle Ages, and the entities that shamans in surviving tribal cultures know as “ghosts”, “gods” and “spirits”? Why are such figures depicted in prehistoric art as far afield as Africa, Europe, the Americas and Australia?
* Why have eminent scientists at the cutting edge of consciousness research, especially those who study the ways that hallucinogens work in the brain, recently begun to question long-established theories about the nature of reality? Why are some now even ready to consider the possibility, long ago embraced by shamans, that, far from being “false perceptions”, what we see in the strange imagery and experiences of hallucinations may be real perceptions of other “dimensions” and the beings inhabiting them?
* Why did Nobel Prize-winner Francis Crick keep concealed until his death the astonishing circumstances under which he first “saw” the double-helix structure of DNA? And why did he become convinced that natural laws are unable to explain the mysterious complexity of the DNA molecule itself?
* Why does the 97 per cent of DNA that scientists do not understand – so-called “junk DNA” – contain chemical “sequences” arranged in patterns and frequencies that are otherwise only found in the deep coding of all human languages?
* Could the “supernaturals” first depicted in the painted caves and rock shelters – and still accessible to us today in altered states of consciousness – be the ancient teachers of mankind? Could it be they who first ushered us into the full birthright of our humanity? And could it be that human evolution is not just the “blind”, “meaningless” “natural” process that Darwin identified, but something else, more purposive and intelligent, that we have barely even begun to understand?

Supernatural

These are some of the mysteries at the heart of the quest Hancock unfolds in the pages of his new book Supernatural – a quest that takes him on a journey of adventure and detection from the depths of the Amazon rainforest, to the stunningly beautiful painted caves of prehistoric Europe, and to ancient painted rock-shelters in the remote mountains of South Africa. This is a book of page-turning story-telling with electrifying descriptions of the daunting journey that Hancock must undertake as he drinks hallucinogens with tribal shamans in the Amazon and self-experiments with DMT, psilocybin and the African visionary drug known as Iboga – “the plant that enables men to see the dead.” But Supernatural also has an exciting basis in the latest science – much of it so far largely unknown to the general public. Thus, although the book takes readers into unusual and daring areas of enquiry, and investigates extraordinary possibilities about human origins, and about the nature of consciousness and of reality, the argument is underpinned throughout by the discoveries and views of eminent scientists doing cutting-edge research.

Supernatural is published in the UK on 6 October 2005 and in the US during 2006. Copies can be purchased direct from Amazon.co.uk, see here. Graham Hancock will give a number of lectures at bookshops in cities throughout the UK during October 2005. Details of the lecture schedule will be published and updated here.

There an interview with Mr. Graham Hancock in the new issue of SubRosa e-zine, starting on page 32
http://subrosa.dailygrail.com/PDF/SubRosa_…sue2-Single.pdf

Check out these painting done by Amazonian Shamans of their visions after drinking a brew made of the Ayuasca vine.
http://www.grahamhancock.com/gallery/supernatural/

It is difficult for those who have not experienced Ayahuasca, or other related shamanic hallucinogens, to visualise the strange parallel realities into which these substances bring us. Fortunately, however, a number of shamans in the Amazon are also gifted artists and have made paintings of their own visions. Through these paintings it is possible for all of us to get some glimpse of the Ayahuasca Otherworld – which, mysteriously, is not a different place for each different individual who drinks Ayahuasca. On the contrary, whether experienced by an Amazonian shaman, or an American lawyer, or a European businessman, or a Japanese fashion designer, the Ayahuasca realm is always recognizably the same place, inhabited by the same intelligent beings with the same mission to teach us important truths about ourselves and the nature of the universe. The Peruvian shaman Pablo Amaringo is the most famous and gifted of Ayahuasca artists working today and has kindly granted us permission to reproduce here a gallery of his paintings. Click on any of the images for a larger view.

Clip from the Mysterious Origins of Man

- YouTube

[ChainGangis2Sweet]

If you’re really serious – and it looks as if you are – you really do need to broaden your reading. There’s plenty of criticism of Hancock and his theories (and of Bauval, too). There’s a great deal more than the few points Hancock highlighted in his communications with the BBC. I think that if you tried to get the vast majority of archaeologists, historians, astronomers, and others to buy inmto his theory of world-girdling monument-building civilizations many thousands of years before the recognized rise of Egypt, Sumeria, or India, I think you’d meet quite a lot of resistance – and not because Hancock isn’t a member of any “club”.

The reason is he has very strong evidence to show the whole conventional viewpoint is seriously flawed. He also shows the proof up front in an understandable way, and can answer the baseless criticisms. I also can post more about this and prove many things about Mr. Hancock’s findings and investigations.

I mean, the modern Science itself is always wrong, and always changing it’s mind. Evolution, Big Bang, these are all made up, will be changed eventually, and even then, what they are replaced with won’t be true either.

Now, obviously most scientists don’t want to admit they spent 20 years studying wrong ideas, which they did. They don’t want the next generation taking over and the older scientists be left in the dust. So they deny obvious facts, bury their heads in the sand, and won’t accept everything they think had been proven wrong

But anyways, I’m going off topic a bit, maybe I can discuss these things more specifically in future threads if I’m around in the future

[CalMeacham]

Also, here’s what the BBC itself had to say about the debate:

T
In November 2000, following a hearing where both sides presented arguments, the Commission published its conclusion that “the programme makers acted in good faith in their examination of the theories of Mr Hancock and Mr Bauval”. It found some unfairness on only one issue, which had been raised by both Mr Hancock and Mr Bauval. The Commission thought the programme should have included an argument they had put forward to rebut a criticism of one aspect of one of their theories

Though the Commission found some unfairness in our treatment of one aspect of the debate, this cannot be interpreted as support for Mr Hancock’s or Mr Bauval’s theories. The Commission made no judgement on the evidence for and against those theories, and did not cast doubt on Horizon’s scientific assessment of it

BBC - Science & Nature - Horizon - Atlantis Reborn Again

[MrDibble]

Is this thread a joke? Because Hancock surely is.

I look forward to the OP “proving” Hancock’s many, many false claims.

[Crotalus]

ChainGangis2Sweet, welcome, and please meet TheFonz.

[Blanche]

I believe that similarities in mythologies from across the globe may be due to some common proto-mythology that they all diverged from, but that doesn’t require some world-spanning civilization. In prehistoric times, change was a lot slower. A myth passed down orally might remain virtually unchanged for thousands of years, and hunter-gatherer people can be very mobile - in many areas, they have to be because a tribe couldn’t stay in one area for long without depleting the local ecosystem of easy to hunt/gather food. If a person was likely to have travelled only 50 miles during the course of their lifetime in these migrations, it would only take a couple of hundred generations for your ancestors to be born on the other side of the Eurasian continent from where you were born, and they might be telling the same story about how your uncle Noagh survived a big flood by hanging on to a piece of driftwood, though there would probably be some additions to the story by then.

Add to this that similarities in myths would strengthen them - if the nomads you meet in your travels also heard the story of Noagh (though they called him something different), that story would gain a lot of significance, and maybe people would use the common myth as a way to create a tie between tribes - “Your people and my people both believe in the Great Flood and the God-Sent Dead Tree, we must have common ancestors and be one people! Let’s go kill those other folks who’ve never heard of Noagh!”. I can see how a lot of details could pass all the way from Mesopotamia to Central America.

[tomndebb]

ChainGangis2Sweet, you have now laid out your admiration for Mr. Hancock. Is there a point you wish to debate?
Hancock’s credentials?
Hancock’s abilities?
Hancock’s thories?
Hancock’s lack of acceptance by the archaeological and paleontological communities?

If you are going to engage in a discussion or debate, you will be better served by laying out an actual point of view in your own words. Citations are valuable to ascertain that you are not inventing “facts,” but they are not a substitute for actual ideas posted in your own words.

[BrainGlutton]

Of course there were civilizations on Earth predating those in the history books! Everybody knows that! Only, they weren’t human civilizations!

[ChainGangis2Sweet]

One thing I would point out, is that what the broadcasting standards commision found to be unfair against Mr. Hancock and Mr. Buvau was the main core criticism of their central theory by skeptics. The main criticism that the pyramids are upside down in Mr Buvauls’ main Orion Correlation theory has been shown to be baseless

The main point of this thread is the general origins of what we call civlization, and things copncerning that. All understandings can be posted

[MrDibble]

BTW, Blanche, welcome to the Dope. I hope you plan on sticking around.

[CalMeacham]

One thing I would point out, is that what the broadcasting standards commision found to be unfair against Mr. Hancock and Mr. Buvau was the main core criticism of their central theory by skeptics. The main criticism that the pyramids are upside down in Mr Buvauls’ main Orion Correlation theory has been shown to be baseless

Oddly enough, I agree with you, if I understand you properly about the criticism being with whether or not the orientation of the pyramids being “upside down” with respect to Orion’s belt is important. I believe that there’s some validity to the arrangement. I’ve even corresponded briefly with Mr. Bauval about it.

But that’s Bauval’s theory, not Graham Hancock’s (although he agrees with it), and I don’t agree with all of Bauval’s other statemernts regarding it, or with Hancock’s. It’s certainly not central to Hancock’s beliefs or theories. And it’s not at all central to criticisms of Mr. Hancock’s work.

[tomndebb]

ChainGangis2Sweet, it has come to my attention that you have submitted identical posts to several other message boards with a similar lack of follow-up.

That falls pretty well within the definition of spamming.
I am closing this thread.

If you want to discuss some aspect of Graham Hancock and his ideas, you may open a new thread that proposes a specifc topic of discussion, linking back to this thread to support your claims.

Do not, however, spam this board with more boilerplate adulation for Hancock or you will forfeit your posting privileges. This is an official Warning.

[ /Moderating ]