I can’t find the original thread talking about the incident, so for anyone interested:
Unsurprisingly, a grand jury has decided that those Georgian cops who tossed a flash bang grenade into a toddler’s crib will face no charges. Oh, and they expressed sympathy for the suffering -* of the police.*
Yeah, sure; I doubt those cops felt a moment of sympathy. They’ve a history of brutalizing and killing innocent people, and getting away with it.
Someone turn on the Smapti signal!
Oh, I think the OP already did.
I’d be astonished if they didn’t. They injured a baby in the course of doing their job, I’m sure they felt fucking awful about it. Not that that’s relevant.
What matters is the warrant. If anyone’s to blame, it’s whoever issued the warrant to search the wrong house, not the individual policemen who used it.
And why should I believe that people with a history of hurting and killing innocents have suddenly acquired a conscience?
Well, there you go - it’s not justice unless the jury arrives at the verdict that the mob has predecided is the right one. Why even bother with a trial - the mere accusation should be sufficient for a lynching. After all, they’re just cops - its not like they’re people or deserve rights or anything.
Police officers are, I believe, individual human beings with their own personal set of feelings. The cop hive mind is a few years off, at least.
If you can tell me that these particular police officers have a history of hurting and killing innocents, then I might buy that they don’t care about disfiguring a baby in a crib.
How fucking absurd this child was disfigured, and hundreds/thousands of others injured or killed and millions arrested and held in cages over fucking chemicals and plants!
Do people understand this? That as a society we send what are basically soldiers with weapons and guns to bust into houses hoping to catch people possessing plants or plant extracts or chemicals?!?
It is the biggest insane waste of money and human life and time, it beggars belief and centuries from now it will be looked at and people will shake their heads and laugh. Nobody can even defend it rationally when asked, it just comes down to a societal taboo.
I think the best hope for stopping it is massive jury nullification, people need to tell whatever lies needed to get on juries and then show prosecutors what a waste of time and money this is by nullifying any drug case.
Or you could try voting.
Because even someone who enjoys torturing adults will, in almost all cases, draw the line at hurting babies. That’s a whole 'nother level of evil, basically.
Saying that, I’m sure that the majority of people in history who have hurt or killed innocent people for reasons that they genuinely believe are right have felt great guilt over it. That’s not a defence of them, just an observation of human nature.
If you have any doubt that the vast majority of people can’t harm or kill without it bothering them, just look at the military. Despite that being a group that’s to a large extent self-selected to be those who at least think they want to harm people, they still need to be highly trained - effectively brainwashed - to be able to do so, and even after that PTSD is rife.
The police are neither psychopaths nor trained like the military. It’s absurd to think the vast majority wouldn’t feel remorse after harming or killing someone. Not that that should affect the judgement of whether they’ve done wrong or not, but they are just as human as the people they deal with in their work.
Because that is working so well right now, the Libertarian party has been hijacked by corporate interests to the point I don’t even call my thoughts libertarian because someone will think I watch Fox news and am against taxes on corporations.
Worked just fine in Washington and Colorado.
Moved MPSIMS to the Pit.
Is it a spotlight with the shadow of a jackboot?
“I don’t go around gratuitously shooting people and then bragging about it afterwards in seedy space-rangers bars, like some cops I could mention! I go around shooting people gratuitously and then I agonize about it afterwards for hours to my girlfriend!”
“Hey listen! I think we’ve got enough problems on our own having you shooting at us, so if you could avoid laying your problems on us as well, I think we’d all find it easier to cope!”
Do you seriously think any of these cops enjoy severely injuring babies? Do you think they got up and got ready for work that day hoping they’d find a baby and an excuse to injure it? Do you think they intentionally threw the device into the crib?
There’s an excluded middle here. I don’t think (some) people are saying that cops go around looking to torture babies. Rather, they are maybe saying that these cops don’t care about the collateral damage. If someone gets hurt in a raid, these types of cops might just think “too bad, maybe they shouldn’t have been in a drug house, hanging out with criminals.” Or, they might be thinking “they got what they deserved/they must have been guilty of something.” Likely, these type of cops might actually feel sorry about an infant, but might not about a teenager or someone older.
It’s sort of a self-preservation thing. “What happened is not my fault, because I’m the Good Guy. I don’t hurt/kill innocent people. So if I did hurt someone, they MUST be guilty.”
Who gives a fat fuck whether the cops regret what happened? Talk about the biggest piece of shit red herring. Their regrets are not relevant to whether they deserve to be charged. What matter are their actions, not their intentions. They’ve prosecuted god knows *how *many people for accidental manslaughter, DUI, leaving their child in a hot car, et fucking cetera. That those people had regrets had *no *impact on whether they were charged, only when they were goddamn sentenced.
And it is the finding of the relevant legal authority that they do not.
It is absolutely no surprise that jurors would do for law enforcement what they would not do for any other person accused of acts that can be viewed as criminal negligence and reckless endangerment. Plenty of accused criminals express remorse and regret, but that does not mean they aren’t subject to the penalties under the law.
This is moral cowardice and wilful disregard at its best, and grotesque but, again, no surprise.