Greatest Scientists: Elimination Game

Our expert panel found it easy to boot Copernicus out of the Top Six.
Maxwell was worth the Top Five but, despite having a Keep vote, his time was up also.

Round Thirteen is over. Round Fourteen will end Monday, Feb. 12 about 11:30 AM New York time.
For Round Fourteen you may cast two Evict (elimination) votes and one Keep vote.
The order in which you list the evictions will be used for tie-breaking.

The Final Four are:
Darwin, Charles - biology
Einstein, Albert - physics
Galileo - physics, astronomy, etc.
Newton, Sir Isaac - math, physics

  1. Maxwell, James Clerk
  2. Copernicus, Nicolas
  3. Archimedes
  4. Faraday, Michael
  5. Linnaeus, Carolus
  6. Pasteur, Louis
  7. Euclid
  8. Mendeleev, Dmitri
  9. Leeuwenhoek, Antonie van
  10. Boyle, Robert
  11. Euler, Leonhard
  12. Bohr, Niels
  13. Eratosthenes
  14. Heisenberg, Werner
  15. Planck, Max
  16. Volta, Alessandro
  17. Kepler, Johannes
  18. Lavoisier, Antoine
  19. Rutherford, Ernest
  20. Salk, Jonas
  21. Vesalius, Andreas
  22. Curie, Marie
  23. Huygens, Christiaan
  24. Fermi, Enrico
  25. Turing, Alan
  26. Watson, James
  27. Gauss, Karl
  28. Tesla, Nicolai
  29. Franklin, Benjamin
  30. Hubble, Edwin
  31. Feynman, Richard
  32. Neumann, John von
  33. Pauling, Linus
  34. Leibnitz, Gottfried
  35. Mendel, Gregor
  36. Fermat, Pierre de
  37. Franklin, Rosalind
  38. Boas, Franz
  39. Bernard, Claude
  40. Meitner, Lise
  41. Aristotle
  42. Liebig, Justus von
  43. Alhazen Ibn al-Haytham
  44. Boltzmann, Ludwig
  45. Lyell, Charles
  46. Dirac, Paul

Keep:

Newton

Evict:

Darwin
Galileo

Evict:
Darwin
Einstein

Eliminate:

Galileo
Einstein

Keep:

Darwin

Evict:
Einstein
Newton

Keep:
Galileo

Last round, Copernicus and Maxwell seemed like reasonable evictions from the Final Six, but ordering the Final Four looks more difficult.

I’ll be happy to continue as we have been and to exercise my (so-far rarely used) tie-breaking power if necessary to finalize the Ranks of the World’s Greatest Scientists Ever … but I am also open to suggestions or discussion about other ways to proceed. I’ll delay the end of Round 14 until Tuesday to ensure there’s time for discussion.

In the absence of discussion … the Dictator dictates!
Round 14 is canceled.

**We will finalize the rankings of the Final Four in one Final Round.
Everyone has eleven votes; they can be used as Evicts or Keeps; and up to five of your votes can be spent on any single candidate.
(And as usual, you’re free to change your votes after you’ve seen how others voted.)
**
For examples:
A player who wanted Darwin kept and cared about nothing else might vote
Einstein - 2 evicts
Galileo - 2 evicts
Newton - 2 evicts
Darwin - 5 keeps
A player who liked Einstein most and Darwin least (and no opinion of Newton vs. Galileo) might vote
Einstein - 5 keeps
Darwin - 5 evicts
A player who wanted to influence all four ranks might vote
Einstein - 5 keeps
Newton - 2 keeps
Darwin - 4 evicts

I’ll set no deadline for the End of the Final Round, but will post the apparent standings after a few days.

First off, thanks for hosting the game, septimus! It’s been fun.

Newton - 5 keeps

Darwin - 3 evicts
Galileo - 2 evicts
Einstein - 1 evict

Ah, what’s the strategy here? I guess I’ll just give points to arrange them in my preferred order.

Newton - 2 keeps
Galileo - 4 keeps
Einstein - 1 evicts
Darwin - 4 evicts

I think Darwin’s getting short shrift here, so I’ll vote as follows:

Darwin – 5 keeps
Galileo – 5 evicts
Einstein – 1 evict

Of course, they are all great, I’m not worthy to judge them. All along, I’ve been voting Galileo, for his role in advancing observation and experimentalism. Newton next for numeracy in science. Darwin and Einstein were insightful geniuses, but it’s just more science. I guess I’d give the nod to Darwin for a simple theory that changed everything about how we think about living things (and some non-living things).

Galileo- 5 keeps
Newton- 4 keeps
Einstein- 2 evicts

(It kills me to type Einstein and evict in the same line. )

The big strike against Darwin is that Alfred Russel Wallace independently discovered natural selection.

Homer has something to say:

I agree and my votes indicate it.

Here are the current votes in reverse of the normal (elimination) order. Sir Isaac Newton is on tract to be voted the Greatest Scientist ever.

  1. Newton : 0-11
  2. Galileo : 7-9
  3. Darwin : 7-5
  4. Einstein : 5-0

The round 14 votes were very close but could be used to predict this same ranking. With the multiple votes, the panel’s decision becomes very clear…

… So far. Voting is still open. Welcome to other Dopers — You are all encouraged to vote.

You could say the same about Einstein- others were knocking on the doors of relativity.

Newton had brilliant contemporaries as well, as I’m sure did Galileo. I’m still giving them the nod, as I think their work was more transformative of science in general.

Knocking on the door isn’t discovery. And relativity and calculus are far from all Einstein or Newton contributed. I don’t really think it’s comparable.

Absolutely true.

And evolution wasn’t Darwin’s only contribution. You could go on. And on and on.

Lots of thinkers eliminated in early rounds did foundational or revolutionary work in their fields.

But, as was said in ‘Highlander’, “There can only be one!”

Special relativity? Sure.

General relativity? Called the “most creative scientific theory ever”? No. This was Einstein’s alone. (Arguments that Hilbert shares credit are misinformed, as Hilbert himself declared.) When Einstein discovered, by himself, that his theory predicted the precession of Mercury’s perihelion, he reports that he had heart palpitations.

Plus, though often overlooked it was Einstein who took key steps toward quantum physics:

Darwin belongs somewhere in the Top Ten. Einstein belongs somewhere in the Top Two.

Well, yes.

I’m personally rooting for Galileo, for setting us on a path of observation, experiment, and reporting. Newton after that.

But others could argue for Greeks who blazed the trails (but they’ve already been kicked off the island, hope they’re enjoying the losers’ resort).