A big wet PIT for everyone who cowers at the freeking white line when turning left on green.
Move into the intersection ya pussies!
I’m trying to drive here! I wanna get home so I can enjoy putting things off, complaining about the television, and being ignored by my kids, and YOU’RE IN MY DAMN WAY! Now the light’s red again, and they’re still stacked up on the other side, and we ain’t going nowhere till someone takes pity on your timid ass and waves you through, or you grow a pair and DRIVE INTO THE INTERFUCKINGSECTION!
You know who you are.
I think there’s something in Leviticus about this.
Oh my, I thought it was just me who noticed this. Really pisses me off. They close off the people behind them from getting through on the yellow.
Plus, they make it more difficult for the people coming the other way who are turning left; they then lose the angle and can’t see as well. At least that’s how it seems to me.
If I may add to this, the people who tailgate and are forced to keep breaking. That pisses me off being behind them because I get alarmed by the breaklights, and I have to slow down to increase my buffer zone.
In intersections that have green arrows, I’ll wait at the line if the arrow isn’t lit up. I’ve found that, most often, waiting in the intersection only leads to me getting trapped there after the cross street gets a green because one or two cars will enter the intersection going the opposite direction after their light turns red. I really, really don’t like sitting out in the middle of the road blocking traffic. I prefer wait the extra two minutes for the green arrow, and I don’t think I’m committing any great injustice by (possibly) forcing one other person to wait for the right-of-way.
Algorithm, you’re talking about a left turn lane. I think what my dog Sample is referring to is the phenomenon of lilylivers who want to turn left when there’s no turn lane. In this situation, the cowards hang back behind the white line, blocking everyone who’s trying to go straight from doing so.
If they would pull up into the intersection like they were supposed to, everyone behind them could zip right along while they hesitated, quivering with fear and clutching the steering wheel white-knuckled, started to go and then abruptly stopped six times, triple checked to make sure nobody was on the horizon, and then sloooowly made their left turn and moved on to infuriate someone at the next intersection.
I hear you. I deal with this shit every single day on the way home from work. There’s a busy intersection with aleft turn lane, but without a protected left turn arrow. There is a PERPETUAL traffic flow from the opposite direction, so if you do not get your ass into that intersection and wait for it to turn red, you will NEVER, EVER get to turn. Once a week at least I get stuck in the OP’s situation. Blows my mind.
If you DON’T have a red arrow, then you STILL should go out into the middle if you are the next guy in line! I don’t care if people DO keep running the red. When they are finally done, then you can go. Please do not sit there and wait a WHOLE NOTHER CYCLE.
Damn, boy, you are going to GRADUATE in that white T-shirt.
If the green arrow is not lit, and there is no red arrow preventing it, you are obliged to obey the remaining, operating traffic lights. In other words, when turning arrows aren’t operating, then approach the intersection as if they aren’t there.
Which means get the hell out into the intersection and make your turn as the light changes, if not sooner.
I very rarely use my horn, but if someone is holding up a line of people like that I punish them with a half-second blast from my ear drum shattering, 10db stock horn. That’ll teach 'em. I’ve startled cats with that thing before, honest. It only works if their radio is off though.
I used to get as far into the intersection as I could to wait for my left turn, but then I saw a beauty of a traffic asshole who couldn’t wait for the left turner in front of him, and went AROUND her to the left, very nearly nailing both her and the car that she was waiting for. Since I saw that particular piece of work in action, I have hung back just in front of the white line so that nobody has a chance to cut around me on the left. I will go when it is safe for me to do so, and I will do so with alacrity. Nobody can expect any more than that from any other driver.
Let’s not forget the worst violator of all – the person who DOES pull out into the intersection, and STILL won’t complete the turn, and just sits there or tries to back up as the light goes red.
They should have a stroke and die, but that would make the traffic situation even worse, so I’ve given up on finding a solution for them.
Maybe I wasn’t clear enough. The turning arrows are operating. I do not have the right of way. If I see an opening coming up in the traffic, and my light is still green, I’ll get out into the intersection and make my turn when the opening reaches me. If the traffic is very heavy, and there is no way for me to actually complete my turn until my own light has turned red, I’ll wait for the next arrow.
I don’t think you understand the situation I’m talking about. In very heavy traffic, no more than two or three cars can make a left after opposing traffic stops for a yellow/red. I’m only making one or two people behind me wait for the next green arrow, as nobody else behind them would have been able to go anyway. I don’t think this is a big deal, especially considering the alternative is blocking traffic on the cross street by being in the intersection when they have a green.
If you have a green arrow, you should be turning.
If you have a red arrow, you should wait before the intersection.
If you have no arrow, you should be out in that intersection waiting to turn, unless there are other cars witing ahead of you in line.
Another thing that pisses me off is the guy who does enter the intersection on the green arrow, but who crawls through it, cutting down on the number of cars who get through. There is no one in front, they have right of way, what are they waiting for?!?
Yes, as explained above. I feel like I’m inconveniencing more people by being in the middle of an intersection when cross traffic has a green light than by waiting for the next arrow. Seems wrong, to me, to jump out into the middle of an intersection when I know I’ll still be there when my light is red.
Sample_the_Dog, and The_Dog is good! The one that REALLY makes me mad? If you’re turning left, and the opposite driver is turning left… as CLEARLY evidenced BY MY FRICKIN TURN SIGNAL… and the other guy still waits for me to actually turn til he will even move! WHAT!!! Did you think my frickin turn signal was a RUSE, to lure you into an accident!!! Did you think I was looking you in the eye and LYING to you???
People who do not intend to turn use turn signals too. How is someone supposed to know your intention? I drive very defensively. I take a turn signal as one possible clue to what you might do. Nothing more.
If you’re making a left turn, when you have a green you pull into the intersection. If there are cars coming the other way going right or straight, you let them go as they have right of way. You wait until it is safe for you to complete your turn. If the light turns red before you can, that means you complete your turn once all approaching traffic has stopped and it is safe for you to go. That does not mean you hang around the intersection waiting for the next green.
Geesh, am I the only one here who took drivers ed?
If you’re going to pull into the intersection, at least use some common sense while doing so. Basically, if you pull so far forward that you can’t see the light anymore, you won’t know when it turns red, you won’t know when the oncoming traffic is going to stop, and you’ll be sitting there blocking the road, because you don’t want to get T-Boned.
People do this all the time at my road’s main intersection. The intersection is very wide, if you pull into normal left turn position, you’re actually past the light and can’t see a damn thing. There is never a big line of cars to get on my road, and the left turn arrow is never more than 15 seconds away, if they sat at the white line and waited. Instead, when I’ve been waiting for my green to arrive, there’s always some joker in the middle of the road blocking my path
Frankly, rather than people going into the intersection, I’d rather they just fucking MOVE when get the green arrow. You’ve been sitting at this light for ages then when it finally turns, you’ve got your finger up your nose. GO! GO! GO! GO! You don’t need 5 car lengths between you and guy in front, you’re slowing us all down.
Now, if there is a big line of left turners and not that much other cross traffic, go ahead and block the cross people for a little bit to get a couple more cars through. If there is major cross traffic, wait your turn, you’re just slowing everyone else down too.