A thought exercise… change every mention of “Islam” or “muslim” to “the church of scientology” would people be as sympathetic?
Or did I miss anything?
A thought exercise… change every mention of “Islam” or “muslim” to “the church of scientology” would people be as sympathetic?
Or did I miss anything?
If I had moved it to the Pit, posters could still read it.
However, unlike most of your rants, this thread approaches something similar to a debate and you held your mouth-foaming behavior to a minimum in the OP. It actually looks like it could be a debate–a terminably stupid debate in which, as usual, you get most of your purported “facts” wrong, from confusing al Qaida with Hamas to mischaracterizing your victim’s statement that he was not going to pin simplisitic labels on a complex topic, (something you would do well to emulate), as a claim that he could not recognize a phenomenon to mischarcterizing his statement, (thoroughly examined in previous threads), that the U.S. has been involved in actions that have tended to anger many people in the Middle East, but still a debate.
As long as it actually continues as a debate, (while you ignore other posters’ attempts to get you to pay attention to actual facts), it can stay in Great Debates.
If you would like to hear a video describing the difference between what the good Imam says in English and in Arabic, see this video. The interviewee is a former Palestinian terrorist who is now in America, Walid Shoebat. He speaks and reads Arabic and has heard the different versions that come out of this guy.
Note what he says at 8:00 minutes in the video. He admits that there are peaceful Muslims, just as I do, and just as I have done over and over again on this site. But note the rest of his comments.
Right on!! Being black had a direct link to lynchings. If they hadn’t been black they would not have been lynched. Now you may not agree that black people should be lynched, I hate to break it to you but some people disagree with you. They may be wrong but they still disagree. Some had enough anger in them to lynch black people. Rightly or wrongly being black had a direct link to those lynchings.
His argument sounds very Christian to me. “I’m just here to bring people peace. I’m not going to fuel hatred by calling one person bad or another person good. I’m not going to say anything that makes anyone feel like they are unwelcome to accept God’s true words. I’m neutral to all if that’s the price of being able to spread the message of God.”
And I’m certain that, he personally, simply doesn’t want to get involved with any politics. He’s just a man trying to build a nice temple for people to go and pray at. He’d rather let everyone else who feels like debating the issue one way or another go do it without him and leave him to manage the construction team.
Yes, it’s possible that this is all an act, but nothing he says makes that sound like the more likely possibility.
The translator seems to be assuming that the fellow in question is trying to turn America into a Muslim state. That isn’t what was said in the quote he translated. He jumped to that conclusion.
I stopped watching at that point. Are you really so pre-disposed to hearing what you want that you cannot see when you are being manipulated?
LOL, Dan! And I forgot to mention, as many Muslims have told me on the web, gays who are subject to gay-bashings by gangs of Muslim thugs in London, Amersterdam and now Sweden, have brought it on themselves by flaunting their disobedience to the law of Allah!
And of course we all know that women who are raped brought it on themselves with immodest dress. Burqas anyone? You can order them online here! http://www.alhannah.com/niqab.html
Did you at least get to hear the part about “useful idiots” who serve as apologists? I wish you had.
His statements quoted in the OP show a man who is obviously trying NOT to be sucked into a political argument. As the imam of a mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero, I can imagine that every right-wing idiot in America is trying to egg this guy on into say something inflammatory and then pull him into an argument so they can vilify him and say, “Look! We were right! He hates America and is a radical Muslim!” He’s doing the right thing by avoiding political questions.
You’re right! I will not call Hitler bad! I will not call people who killed thousands in 9-11 bad! Stalin was not bad!
Is he trying to make peace, or is he aware that a very large proportion of his flock would turn against him if he dared to say that Hamas are terrorists?
Are you of the opinion that Muslim dislike of America, to the extent it exists, has no roots in our foreign policy?
The analogy Dan made is completely unfounded, why do you find it so compelling?
I’d appreciate you not insinuate I’m an idiot, useful or otherwise.
That said, the video is a bit of propaganda for people who aren’t looking for actual facts. I can see what the attraction was for you.
I’m not saying that Jesus was bright, but I definitely would see him saying more-or-less just that.
So you are admitting he may entertain inlammatory, radical opinions and wants to avoid being pulled into an argument where they might come out in an unguarded moment, then?
It seems to me that if someone does not entertain certain ideas, there is zero danger of them coming out in an unguarded moment of heated argument, after all.
For example, no matter how mad you make me in an argument, I would NEVER, EVER say “The Klan is right, lynch the n_____s.” Even if I were foaming at the mouth you would never make me say that because I do not believe it.
So what is the Imam afraid will slip out if he gets into an argument, pray tell?
Hey, I was agreeing with you. It’s the blacks fault. Do you think that racists hatred of them is not based on their behavior? Same with Jews, it was their actions that caused the hatred of them. If those faggots weren’t out there holding hands and provoking people there would be no gay bashing.
Hamas didn’t kill thousands on 9-11. How can you have such strong opinions on this and yet be so utterly uninformed?
Are you aware of how silly the quoted section is?
Hamas is many things, what does calling them terrorists do to further the conversation. It would be like calling someone who irrationally hates Islam a bigot. Does that help the conversation?
I think it has roots in the fact that the west, led by America, represents progress, freedom, separation of church and state, the enlightenment and the rights of the individual, which is in direct opposition to the basic ideas of submission to a violent theocracy upon which Islam is founded.
Our gender equality to them represents immoral and immodest women.
Our tolerance and even acceptance of gays constitutes for them encouragement of filth and perversion among people who should be killed or at least lashed.
We represent a concept in which all religions are equal, but the secular law is above all religions. They tell us that the world must be subject to the law of Allah, not man-made law.
We separate state and religion, they want their religion to BE the world-wide caliphate.
I could go on, but it is getting late, and the differences between the west and Islam would take all night to list.
Well, it would clarify some remarks.
Dude, get some fucking help. Your obsession with this “Ground Zero mosque” is approaching some kind of mental disorder.
BTW, Valteron, your “has he stopped beating his wife” questions are not doing anything to keep this thread in GD. If you are only here to rant, you can do it in the Pit. If you want a discussion, try to impart some intelligence to your own arguments.
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