Gullintanni says, "Cancer is a choice."

The BBQ Pit
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This is a log of a conversation that took place on AOL Instant Messenger a couple nights ago between myself and Jessica, and this guy of questionable intellectual standing. The log format is kind of weird because Jessica and I were on a MOO (text-based RPG) sharing our bits of each side of the conversation. Eventually he blocked her, and I had to just leave, cause it wasn’t going to get any farther and it was like 3am.

This conversation started when Gullintanni (AKA Sinisterstrijder) told Jessica that gays are gay by choice and are an abomination that should die, which made her mad, and she insisted it wasn’t a choice. Regardless of where you stand on that particular issue, the ensuing conversation is…quite hilarious. Remember, being sick is a matter of choice, you should learn to control your gag reflex.

So, do they make this brand of quack where you guys come from?

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Sinisterstrijder (2:59:15 AM): Everyone has a choice in whatever they do
princesskiwi316 (2:59:20 AM): For instance! I love my mother. I didn’t choose to love my mother. But I do.
Sinisterstrijder (2:59:36 AM): You can chose to love your mother
Sinisterstrijder (2:59:40 AM): You don’t have to.
princesskiwi316 (2:59:45 AM): Sigh.
princesskiwi316 (2:59:59 AM): That’s not my point. I never said everyone loved their mother.
princesskiwi316 (3:00:12 AM): My point is that I do love my mother for everything she has done for me.
Sinisterstrijder (3:00:15 AM): You can either hate or love your mother but you choose to love her.
princesskiwi316 (3:00:20 AM): a sdsfnzsdg b.n,d;l’s nknl/dzfbk ,mfgz
princesskiwi316 (3:00:21 AM): .zdfb
princesskiwi316 (3:00:31 AM): You REALLY are like talking to a brick wall.
princesskiwi316 (3:00:54 AM): Except brick walls are more fun.
Sinisterstrijder (3:00:55 AM): You don’t know everything about me
princesskiwi316 (3:01:06 AM): You can color on brick walls without having them beat you up.
Sinisterstrijder (3:01:27 AM): Fun is relative
princesskiwi316 (3:01:29 AM): I don’t need to know everything about you to know that talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.
princesskiwi316 (3:01:36 AM): SCREAMS
Sinisterstrijder (3:01:44 AM): Like it’s not fun running into the corner of brick wall.
princesskiwi316 (3:01:52 AM): That’s what you think.
princesskiwi316 (3:02:00 AM): Some masochists might disagree.
Sinisterstrijder (3:02:02 AM): Not what i think.
Sinisterstrijder (3:02:10 AM): My father had the experience
princesskiwi316 (3:02:16 AM): Wonderful.
princesskiwi316 (3:02:24 AM): I never ever ever said that it was fun for everyone.
princesskiwi316 (3:02:31 AM): I said SOME people might find it fun.
Sinisterstrijder (3:02:38 AM): Anyways, where were we
Sinisterstrijder (3:02:49 AM): We were on that fact everyone makes choices
princesskiwi316 (3:02:52 AM): For instance, right about now, running into a brick wall and getting knocked out seems pretty good right now.
princesskiwi316 (3:03:15 AM): Yes, everyone does make choices. But not everything in life is a choice.
princesskiwi316 (3:03:22 AM): And uh!
princesskiwi316 (3:03:28 AM): We are not talking about it!
Sinisterstrijder (3:03:37 AM): Everything in life is a choice
princesskiwi316 (3:03:42 AM): Because this topic got ooooold.
princesskiwi316 (3:03:45 AM): Not everything.
princesskiwi316 (3:03:56 AM): It wasn’t my choice that I was born.
Sinisterstrijder (3:04:46 AM): Okay, everything after birth
princesskiwi316 (3:05:05 AM): I didn’t choose to throw up.
Sinisterstrijder (3:05:51 AM): You choose that too
princesskiwi316 (3:05:53 AM): And I did throw up one time. That sucked.
princesskiwi316 (3:05:55 AM): I did?
princesskiwi316 (3:06:06 AM): I chose to get sick and throw up?
princesskiwi316 (3:06:11 AM): I don’t have bulimia.
Sinisterstrijder (3:06:16 AM): Try controling gag reflex
Sinisterstrijder (3:06:30 AM): being sick is a matter of choice
princesskiwi316 (3:06:31 AM): Sigh.
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You ask, “The fuck?”
Jessica shrugs.
Jessica says, “OBVIOUSLY, we are all mistaken. We all wanted to be sick. We chose it. Cancer patients all woke up one day and said HMM TODAY I WISH I GET CANCER.”
Ethan stares a paperclip down. Awww, the poor thing.
Jessica pets Ethan’s head reassuringly.
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princesskiwi316 (3:08:33 AM): So are you saying cancer patients all CHOSE to get cancer?
Sinisterstrijder (3:09:02 AM): Yeah
princesskiwi316 (3:09:13 AM): squints
Sinisterstrijder (3:09:30 AM): What is cancer
princesskiwi316 (3:09:55 AM): It’s a disease.
Sinisterstrijder (3:10:07 AM): deeper explaination then that
princesskiwi316 (3:10:30 AM): You don’t know what cancer is?
Sinisterstrijder (3:10:36 AM): i know what it is
Sinisterstrijder (3:10:43 AM): And people having it is by choice
princesskiwi316 (3:10:56 AM): It is?
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You say, “See, I wasn’t kidding when I first told you this guy was an idiot.”
Ethan says, “Uh.”
You say, “THERE IS MY PROOF.”
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Sinisterstrijder (3:11:16 AM): In case you didn’t know, Lung Cancer is prevented by no smoking. Yet people choose to smoke
princesskiwi316 (3:11:53 AM): Uh, no. It’s not. Smoking can CAUSE lung cancer, but not smoking doesn’t prevent it. Idiot.
princesskiwi316 (3:12:06 AM): And not all cancers are made by smoking.
princesskiwi316 (3:12:17 AM): Some people get it because cancer runs in the family.
Sinisterstrijder (3:12:19 AM): Caancer is a rogue cells
princesskiwi316 (3:12:28 AM): But I suppose they chose what family to be born into.
princesskiwi316 (3:12:38 AM): Yeah, they suuuure chose to get cancer.
Sinisterstrijder (3:12:39 AM): Cancer isnt genetic
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You say, “Some people have predispositions to cancer, from what I understand.”
Jessica nods to you.
You say, “But yeah, you can get cancer anywhere, not just by smoking, and not by choice.”
You say, “You can also get skin cancer from the sun, but I suppose that’s by choice too. ‘They should wear sunscreen.’ I wonder what people did before sunscreen was invented. Damn them for choosing to get cancer.”
You say, “And I wonder what causes breast cancer. You should ask him. I’m curious.”
You say, “Or colon cancer for that matter.”
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Sinisterstrijder (3:14:26 AM): It is by choice
princesskiwi316 (3:14:30 AM): No, it’s not!
princesskiwi316 (3:14:51 AM): Some people are born with HIV. But I suppose they chose their parents, huh?
Sinisterstrijder (3:14:55 AM): I forgot to tell you, I am stubborn and hard headed, especially when i know I am right.
princesskiwi316 (3:15:19 AM): YOU ARE NOT RIGHT. YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST PERSON I HAVE EVER MET. OH MY FUCKING GOD.
princesskiwi316 (3:15:35 AM): So, what causes colon cancer? And breast cancer?
princesskiwi316 (3:15:39 AM): Oh great one.
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You laugh.
You say, “Oh my god.”
Ethan shakes his head.
You say, “Now you see why I hate this guy. I’ve been dealing with him for years on GWSE.”
Jessica stomps on the ground.
Jessica screams!
Jessica throws a mad temper tantrum, and begins throwing things across the room!
You say, “He’ll probably say sexual perversion causes those.”
Jessica laughs.
You say, “AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE AN ABOMINATION AND DESERVE TO DIE.”
Jessica says, “oh, of course.”
You say, “Unless shitting causes colon cancer. In which case it’s our fault for choosing to crap.”
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Sinisterstrijder (3:15:56 AM): HIV is in the blood stream and mother and child share blood
princesskiwi316 (3:16:04 AM): I KNOW THAT
Sinisterstrijder (3:16:14 AM): However, they can prevent babies from getting hiv
Sinisterstrijder (3:16:29 AM): just not 100% fool proof
princesskiwi316 (3:17:04 AM): YES I KNOW STOP FEEDING ME RANDOM FACTS
princesskiwi316 (3:17:27 AM): So what do people with colon cancer do to choose getting colon cancer?
Sinisterstrijder (3:17:38 AM): Stop calling them random facts. It is on subject so its not random.
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You say, “God.”
You say, “Please just kill him.”
You say, “Amen.”
Jessica laughs.
You say, “That totally sidestepped what you said.”
You ask, “So is he saying that the babies chose to have a mother with HIV?”
You chortle.
You say, “He’s seriously insane.”
You say, “I wonder why they let him out. Honestly.”
Jessica laughs.
You say to Ethan, “I guarantee you’ll remember Gullintanni/Kahrytan from this day forth.”
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princesskiwi316 (3:18:15 AM): Stop avoiding my question.
Sinisterstrijder (3:18:19 AM): i did
Sinisterstrijder (3:18:43 AM): Its about staying healthy
princesskiwi316 (3:18:48 AM): Sigh.
Sinisterstrijder (3:18:59 AM): and making sure the body has what it needs to take care of itself
princesskiwi316 (3:19:29 AM): Honey, no. You can be a really healthy person who eats right and excercises and STILL GET CANCER.
Sinisterstrijder (3:19:43 AM): A Good healthy body and is treated right does not need a doctor.
Sinisterstrijder (3:19:52 AM): The human body is self sufficent
princesskiwi316 (3:20:01 AM): My god, I hope you get cancer.
Sinisterstrijder (3:20:14 AM): why
princesskiwi316 (3:20:36 AM): So you can see that people don’t fucking choose to get sick
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You laugh.
You ask, “Honestly, can you understand my loathing now?”
Jessica says, “YES.”
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Sinisterstrijder (3:21:30 AM): i havent been sick in years
Sinisterstrijder (3:21:34 AM): hence choice
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You chortle.
You say, “He’s crazy. Fucking crazy.”
You say, “He’s like that religion that believes you can exist purely on breathing.”
Jessica laughs.
You say, “I wish I were making that up.”
You sigh.
Jessica says, “I wish this kid would suddenly get a stomach ache.”
Ethan exclaims, “Weird. He reminds me of Effy Walker… She hasn’t been sick in 60 years!”
Jessica laughs.
Ethan says, “Wheatgrass juice, man. It cures everything.”
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princesskiwi316 (3:22:06 AM): RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
princesskiwi316 (3:22:58 AM): So my dad goes to the gym once a week and goes on bike rides and plays tennis and likes sports. A lot. He also eats healthy. A few years ago, he broke his leg. How did he choose to break his leg?
Sinisterstrijder (3:23:32 AM): What did he do to break his leg
princesskiwi316 (3:23:52 AM): He fell off his bike.
Sinisterstrijder (3:24:52 AM): how
princesskiwi316 (3:25:03 AM): How what? HE FELL OFF HIS BIKE.
Sinisterstrijder (3:25:34 AM): but how
princesskiwi316 (3:25:41 AM): Rrrg.
princesskiwi316 (3:25:49 AM): Listen carefully.
princesskiwi316 (3:25:54 AM): He was riding his bike.
princesskiwi316 (3:25:58 AM): And then
princesskiwi316 (3:26:00 AM): he
princesskiwi316 (3:26:02 AM): fell
princesskiwi316 (3:26:04 AM): off
princesskiwi316 (3:26:06 AM): and
princesskiwi316 (3:26:08 AM): broke
princesskiwi316 (3:26:10 AM): his
princesskiwi316 (3:26:11 AM): leg
Sinisterstrijder (3:26:31 AM): How did he fall off
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You say, “Weird, I was just asking him about that.”
Jessica says, “Cool beans.”
Ethan pets Jessica’s head reassuringly.
Jessica exclaims, “Aaaaaaaaah!”
Jessica says, “THIS KID.”
Jessica screams!
Jessica throws a mad temper tantrum, and begins throwing things across the room!
Jessica stomps on the ground.
Jessica glares.
Ethan asks, “What now?”
Ethan glances around at his surroundings.
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princesskiwi316 (3:27:51 AM): I DON’T KNOW HE FELL OFF BECAUSE THE BIKE FELL OVER I DON’T KNOW WHY
Sinisterstrijder (3:28:15 AM): He choose to do something that made him fall
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Ethan chortles.
You say, “I’m backing him into a corner, and I think he knows it.”
Jessica says, “how how how my love I will love you forever if you get him to admit he is wrong”
You say, “PATIENCE”
Jessica says, “I’m not a patient person.”
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(01:30:04) World Of Annelise: I got a question for you.
(01:30:18) Gullintanni: Since you are polite, ask away
(01:31:02) World Of Annelise: I’ve been following your conversation with Kiwi about choice, and I’m assuming that you feel the same way about bodily injury. I mean, if you get in a car to go someplace, and get hit by a truck, you made the choice to get in that car right?
(01:31:52) World Of Annelise: That’s totally asked without sarcasm, too. Just want your straight up answer.
(01:32:08) Gullintanni: That gets into science
(01:32:19) World Of Annelise: It does?
(01:32:42) World Of Annelise: Just answer the question, do you believe that getting that injury was by choice by means of choosing to get into that car?
(01:32:56) Gullintanni: yes
(01:33:19) Gullintanni: Everything is dependent on a choice
(01:33:22) World Of Annelise: Have you ever gotten into a car and drive or been driven someplace?
(01:33:25) Gullintanni: (after birth)
(01:33:33) World Of Annelise: By choice.
(01:35:03) World Of Annelise: Well?
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You laugh.
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(01:36:11) Gullintanni: This is slowly getting into a philosophical debate
(01:36:21) World Of Annelise: It’s way past that. Answer the question.
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Sinisterstrijder (3:30:12 AM): This is slowly getting into a philosophical debate
princesskiwi316 (3:30:21 AM): No, it’s not.
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Jessica says, “ahahahahahahhaa”
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Sinisterstrijder (3:30:12 AM): This is slowly getting into a philosophical debate
princesskiwi316 (3:30:21 AM): No, it’s not.
Sinisterstrijder (3:30:59 AM): not what your friend says
princesskiwi316 (3:31:05 AM): My bestest friend!
princesskiwi316 (3:31:09 AM): Oh gee wow
princesskiwi316 (3:31:13 AM): I am so excited
princesskiwi316 (3:31:17 AM): I love him
princesskiwi316 (3:31:20 AM): ono
Sinisterstrijder (3:31:50 AM): if you love him so much, why don’t you marry him
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You laugh.
Jessica exclaims, “I THINK I HAVE HIM!”
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princesskiwi316 (3:31:54 AM): So let’s say there is this cute little baby! A five month old baby
princesskiwi316 (3:32:25 AM): And then!
princesskiwi316 (3:32:30 AM): The mom kills the baby!
princesskiwi316 (3:32:36 AM): How is that the baby’s choice?
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You chortle.
You exclaim, “It’s the mother’s choice, of course!”
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Sinisterstrijder (3:33:06 AM): What took you so long
princesskiwi316 (3:33:15 AM): Bwuh?
Sinisterstrijder (3:33:23 AM): I realized that error long time ago
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You laugh.
You say, “My god.”
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princesskiwi316 (3:33:55 AM): So you admit you are wrong!
Sinisterstrijder (3:34:04 AM): no
princesskiwi316 (3:34:18 AM): Oh no, you’ve already admitted it.
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You say, “Solaugh”
You say, “Er.”
You glance around at your surroundings.
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(01:36:36) Gullintanni: i don’t drive
(01:36:41) World Of Annelise: That’s not what I asked.
(01:36:56) World Of Annelise: Have you ever CHOSEN to get into a car and been driven someplace by someone else.
(01:37:06) Gullintanni: yes
(01:37:17) World Of Annelise: Probably pretty regularly, I imagine?
(01:37:38) Gullintanni: not recently
(01:37:49) World Of Annelise: When was the last time?
(01:37:54) World Of Annelise: Define ‘recently’?
(01:38:42) Gullintanni: meaning not today or ysterday
(01:38:46) Gullintanni: yesterday
(01:38:53) World Of Annelise: Okay, so you did this week though, right?
(01:39:54) Gullintanni: maybe
(01:40:48) World Of Annelise: I’ll take that as a yes. So in essence, what you’re saying is that in life, there’s often a necessary but acceptable level of risk. Incidently, if you get killed in a car wreck, I’ll be sure to remind your family that you chose to die. They’ll understand.
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Jessica gives you a high five.

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I apologize for the multiple posts, but the log is longer than the post limit.

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(01:41:43) Gullintanni: I didn’t choose to die
(01:41:51) Gullintanni: My choice to get in the car and trust them
(01:41:52) World Of Annelise: You didn’t? But you chose to get into that car!
(01:41:57) World Of Annelise: Right, so you died by your choice.
(01:42:04) World Of Annelise: You made the choice that got you killed.
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Ethan grins at you.
You say, “It’s fun shoving his argument back at him.”
Jessica absently bobs her head like a parakeet.
You say, “Nope.”
You say, “He’s not responded to me yet.”
Jessica says, “Twit.”
Jessica says, “He signed off.”
Ethan grins.
Jessica asks, “Did he block me?”
You say, “I still see him.”
Jessica says, “Harhar.”
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Sinisterstrijder (3:33:23 AM): I realized that error long time ago
princesskiwi316 (3:33:55 AM): So you admit you are wrong!
Sinisterstrijder (3:34:04 AM): no
princesskiwi316 (3:34:18 AM): Oh no, you’ve already admitted it.
Sinisterstrijder (3:34:35 AM): No I didn’t
Sinisterstrijder (3:34:41 AM): It was just an error
princesskiwi316 (3:34:48 AM): An error?
Sinisterstrijder (3:34:57 AM): a mistake
Sinisterstrijder (3:35:03 AM): wrong wording
princesskiwi316 (3:35:06 AM): I know what an error is, twit.
Sinisterstrijder (3:35:07 AM): should i go on?
princesskiwi316 (3:35:43 AM): So you admit that what you said was INCORRECT.
princesskiwi316 (3:35:49 AM): Which would make you wrong.
Sinisterstrijder (3:36:16 AM): I’ll correct what I said.
princesskiwi316 (3:36:52 AM): I’ll correct what I said, too.
Sinisterstrijder (3:37:03 AM): All babies goto heaven. because they can’t communicate When they are able too, then it is their choice.
princesskiwi316 (3:37:33 AM): You are not just an idiot. You are a blithering moron and you have no idea what you are talking about and when you are proven wrong, you can’t just accept that you were wrong.
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(01:43:22) World Of Annelise: Right? That’s what you said earlier. You agreed that by getting into that car, your injury was by choice because if you had chosen not to get into the car, you wouldn’t have gotten injured.
(01:44:23) World Of Annelise: Did you block Kiwi?
(01:44:40) Gullintanni: take a guess
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Jessica says, “then he signed off”
Jessica says, “hahahaa”
Jessica falls on the ground, laughing uncontrollably.
Jessica rolls around on the ground.
Jessica laughs.
Jessica chortles.
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(01:45:02) Gullintanni: I hate being double teamed
(01:45:09) World Of Annelise: Sucks when you’re wrong, doesn’t it?
(01:45:14) World Of Annelise: Are you going to answer my question?
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Jessica chuckles.
Jessica asks, “Ok. Tell him this for me: You said babies are the only ones who don’t make choices? Well, let’s take a five year old who gets murdered by her mother because her mother went insane. How is that the five year old’s fault?”
You say, “Yeah, there’s really no age limit on that.”
Jessica says, “Yeah.”
You say, “You could 1000 and get murdered and still not be your choice.”
Jessica says, “Yeah really.”
Jessica says, “He is the stupidest person I have ever met.”
You say, “Sigh.”
Jessica asks, “What?!”
You say, “I accidently hit the wrong clipboard buffer and pasted some MOO conversation into his window.”
Ethan says, “The kid chose not to make enchiladas when their mother asked them to. So, naturally, she snapped.”
Ethan gestures vaguely.
Jessica grins.
Jessica asks, “What did you tell him?”
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(01:45:27) Gullintanni: what question
(01:45:41) World Of Annelise: I said: Jessica says, “Yeah. But even if you believe him that homosexuality is wrong, the bible says ‘Do not lie with mankind as you would do with women or whatever.’ Since she chose not to act on her feelings towards women, she is not sinning, really.”
You say, “Ahhhhhh… there’s arguments against that, but I won’t get into it.”
Jessica shrugs.
You say, “Still doesn’t change the fact she could write 80 books and live in a sanctuary and still not be saved. Not saying she isn’t, just saying that he’s right in pointing out that all of those things basically don’t mean shit.”
(01:45:45) World Of Annelise: Er.
(01:45:52) World Of Annelise: wow, that’s some old clipboard buffer.
(01:46:05) World Of Annelise: I actually said: Right? That’s what you said earlier. You agreed that by getting into that car, your injury was by choice because if you had chosen not to get into the car, you wouldn’t have gotten injured.
(01:46:14) Gullintanni: whose jessica
(01:46:31) World Of Annelise: Sorry, I hit the wrong clipboard buffer. Let’s not change subjects.
(01:46:51) Gullintanni: kiwi says she loves you
(01:47:04) World Of Annelise: She was being sarcastic, and you know it. Answer my question.
(01:47:27) Gullintanni: I bet she does really
(01:48:05) World Of Annelise: Probably. You gonna just keep avoiding the question?
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Jessica says, “hahahahaha”
Jessica exclaims, “I sure do love you!”
Jessica says, “Just tell him you’re madly in love with me, too. That’ll shut him up.”
Jessica exclaims, “Tell him to unblock me! It was just getting fun. Where we got to the PROVING HIM WRONG part.”
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(01:48:23) Gullintanni: no question to answer
(01:49:07) World Of Annelise: Yes there is. Am I not right that you agreed that by getting into that car, you made the choice to get injured or killed in a wreck, since by choosing not to get into the car you would’ve avoided it? That’s what you said a little while ago.
(01:49:46) Gullintanni: Question: I actually said: Right?

Answer: That’s what you said earlier. You agreed that by getting into that car, your injury was by choice because if you had chosen not to get into the car, you wouldn’t have gotten injured.
(01:49:58) World Of Annelise: So you agree, then.
(01:50:05) World Of Annelise: It was your choice to die by getting into that car.
(01:50:41) Gullintanni: There is a bigger picture in that story
(01:50:50) World Of Annelise: No there’s not. You said everything in life was about choices.
(01:51:06) Gullintanni: choice was in the trust
(01:51:52) World Of Annelise: By the way, I know this guy, he was in a convenience store when a lunatic came running in chasing after his girlfriend and her mother, killed her mother, shot the girlfriend, then shot this guy I knew who was just there, before shooting himself. Are you saying he chose to die too?
(01:52:03) World Of Annelise: Right, but your choice still resulted in your death, right?
(01:52:37) Gullintanni: science theories sucks
(01:52:57) World Of Annelise: Gonna avoid that question too?
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You say, “By the way, that was a true story. Family member, actually.”
Jessica says, “Aww.”
You say, “My great grandfather on my dad’s side.”
Jessica pets your head reassuringly.
Jessica says, “I’m sorry.”
You say, “Didn’t know him.”
Jessica says, “Aw well, that makes it some better. But it still sucks.”
You say, “The fuck.”
Jessica asks, “What?”
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(01:53:46) Gullintanni: ever heard of parallel universes?
(01:54:11) World Of Annelise: I’m just dying to know where this is leading now.
(01:54:15) World Of Annelise: YEs, who hasn’t?
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Jessica exclaims, “He’s in a parallel universe where everything in life is a choice!”
You chortle.
Jessica says, “It explains a lot.”
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(01:54:43) Gullintanni: It is said, for every choice you make, there is a different universe
(01:55:25) World Of Annelise: Heard that before. Let’s try and stick to our universe, especially since it has nothing to do with the conversation. Your choice in getting in the car resulted in your death, right? Let’s keep this simple.
(01:55:50) Gullintanni: Im ignoring it
(01:56:08) World Of Annelise: I can tell. Just fucking sucks to be wrong and know it, but not be man enough to admit it, doesn’t it?
(01:56:15) Gullintanni: You are just trying to catch me in a mistake
(01:56:22) World Of Annelise: You’re right. It is a mistake.
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Jessica says, “He is a MANLY MAN.”
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(01:56:35) Gullintanni: Life is made up choices.
(01:56:41) World Of Annelise: It sure is.
(01:56:43) Gullintanni: Life is made up of choices
(01:56:48) World Of Annelise: So what about my convenience store guy?
(01:56:55) World Of Annelise: How did he choose to die?
(01:57:10) World Of Annelise: He went to the store? Dastardly of him.
(01:57:16) Gullintanni: You are smart enough to answer your own question.
(01:57:23) World Of Annelise: Way to sidestep.
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Jessica asks, “Why did he block me? Why didn’t he block you? Sigh.”
Jessica says, “Tell him I was only mean to him because I have a huge, secret crush on him and his stupidity.”
You laugh.
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(01:57:43) Gullintanni: Life is made up of choices. period
(01:57:57) Gullintanni: http://fathersloveletter.com/
(01:58:14) World Of Annelise: More randomness?
(01:58:23) Gullintanni: No
(01:58:25) Gullintanni: new subject
(01:58:33) Gullintanni: hence PERIOD
(01:58:34) World Of Annelise: Not interested in a new subject.
(01:58:43) World Of Annelise: Sorry, you can’t just declare the subject closed.
(01:58:50) World Of Annelise: This ain’t a dictatorship.
(01:58:57) Gullintanni: SURE IT IS
(01:59:55) World Of Annelise: So how about this one. I’m sleeping in my house one night, all the doors and windows are locked. This guy breaks in and steals a bunch of my stuff. How was that my choice?
(02:00:37) Gullintanni: I choose to ignore that question
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Jessica says, “Welllllllll duh. OBVIOUSLY you should get an intruder alert system.”
Jessica says, “And you chose to not wake up and bash his head in.”
Jessica says, “I mean, you could have taught yourself to be a lighter sleeper.”
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(02:01:10) World Of Annelise: Okay, so my daughter is walking home from school one day, she’s 13, and a guy pulls up in a car, grabs her and rapes her. How was that her choice?
(02:01:26) Gullintanni: You have a daughter?
(02:01:36) World Of Annelise: Gonna choose to ignore that question too?
(02:01:45) Gullintanni: yup
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Jessica says, “Yes. I am your daughter.”
Jessica says, “Or maybe Ethan is.”
Jessica glances at Ethan.
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(02:02:21) Gullintanni: I ended that conversation because it is an endless dead end one
(02:02:41) World Of Annelise: Okay, so how about the thousands of people working in the World Trade Center the day terrorists blew it up? They choose to die?
(02:02:59) Gullintanni: You can make up billions of stories.
(02:03:01) World Of Annelise: It’s only dead because you have nothing to back up your side of it, and refuse to admit you’re wrong.
(02:03:05) World Of Annelise: Those aren’t made up.
(02:03:20) World Of Annelise: Unless you think Sept 11 was a hoax by the media. I bet you probably think the moon landing was too.
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Jessica says, “It totally was a hoax by the media. With the government.”
Jessica says, “Everyone knows that the government themselves killed everyone.”
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(02:03:42) Gullintanni: There is an inifinite number of parallel universes
(02:04:04) World Of Annelise: So? What does that have to do with ours?
(02:04:13) World Of Annelise: You make choices in ours, who cares what choices are made in the others.
(02:04:14) Gullintanni: everything
(02:04:19) World Of Annelise: Or nothing. One of the two.
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Jessica exclaims, “Or maybe something!”
You say, “This guy seriously can’t be for real.”
Jessica says, “I think he is.”
Jessica says, “And that sure scares me.”
Jessica shrugs.
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(02:05:27) Gullintanni: There is infinite number of parallel universes and new ones are made by a simple choice
(02:05:55) World Of Annelise: Fine, so you’re still saying that a choice resulted in a consequence. Wow, rocket science. So, back to square one.
(02:06:09) World Of Annelise: How did the WTC employees choose to die?
(02:06:31) Gullintanni: answer your own ques
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Jessica says, “shut up about the parallel universes already”
Jessica exclaims, “It’s not a debate if someone is talking to themselves!”
Jessica says, “‘U sux’ ‘no u sux more’ ‘o i m u’ ‘o rite’”
Jessica asks, “Or maybe! ‘Self, does Gullintanni know what he is talking about?’ ‘No self, he sure doesn’t.’ ‘Self, is Gullintanni an idiot?’ ‘You bet he is, self.’”
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(02:08:25) World Of Annelise: You already admitted to Kiwi that your theory had a hole in it, you’ve admitted to me now that it’s more like swiss cheese than anything else, as much by refusing to answer questions you know you can’t explain as by contradicting yourself. Yet, you still won’t flat up admit that you’re wrong, and sometimes things happen to people without them choosing it. Noble. I applaud your pigheadedness.
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Jessica laughs.
Jessica says, “The jerk blocked me. >:(”
Jessica gets a distant look on her face as she ponders.
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(02:09:47) Gullintanni: no
(02:10:14) World Of Annelise: No what?
(02:10:24) Gullintanni: No im not wrong
(02:10:27) World Of Annelise: Clearly.
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Jessica asks, “Did he sign off?”
You say, “Nope.”
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(02:10:14) World Of Annelise: No what?
(02:10:24) Gullintanni: No im not wrong
(02:10:27) World Of Annelise: Clearly.
(02:10:51) Gullintanni: no
(02:11:00) World Of Annelise: I’ve got an idea!
(02:11:21) World Of Annelise: I’m going to post a log of tonight’s events to every forum I’m a member of and get some other opinions.
(02:12:01) Gullintanni: How about you shorten the log a little
(02:12:09) World Of Annelise: I’ll be sure to include your screenname so you can explain all of this to everyone.
(02:12:24) Gullintanni: Life is made up choices.
(02:12:36) World Of Annelise: No no, I’m including the whole thing.
(02:12:53) Gullintanni: You do that
(02:13:24) Gullintanni: You do realize, this is just a unused screen name
(02:13:32) World Of Annelise: Clearly.
(02:13:44) World Of Annelise: How many people do you think will agree with you?
(02:13:57) Gullintanni: doesn’t change the facts
(02:14:21) World Of Annelise: Well, let me ask you this. Who would it take to tell you that you’re wrong to believe it?
(02:14:28) World Of Annelise: God alone?
(02:14:42) Gullintanni: God
(02:14:48) World Of Annelise: I totally called that one.
(02:15:00) Gullintanni: thats why you are the one not blocked.
(02:15:12) World Of Annelise: Yet, you already admitted that it wasn’t a baby’s choice to get killed by it’s mother.
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Jessica asks, “Bwuh? You’re not blocked because you called that one?”
You say, “Dunno. I guess I’m not blocked because we both believe in God. How the hell should I know.”
Jessica says, “OH I SEE.”
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(02:16:23) Gullintanni: babies dont have choices
(02:16:39) World Of Annelise: Ah, but you said everything after birth was a choice!
(02:16:43) World Of Annelise: Did you not?
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Ethan grins.
You say, “Ooooh, I’m getting him mad now, he called me a twit.”
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(02:16:58) World Of Annelise: Yet another error?
(02:17:05) Gullintanni: same error
(02:17:19) World Of Annelise: What if that same baby is 20 when his mother kills him?
(02:17:20) Gullintanni: It’s same identical error
(02:17:30) World Of Annelise: Is that the same error?
(02:17:41) World Of Annelise: Stabs him in his sleep.
(02:17:41) Gullintanni: that didnt make sense at all
(02:17:43) World Of Annelise: Damn him.
(02:17:45) World Of Annelise: Sure it does.
(02:17:57) World Of Annelise: What if a 20 year old guy gets stabbed in his sleep by his mother? Is that the same error?
(02:17:58) Gullintanni: 20 months or 20 years
(02:18:03) World Of Annelise: 20 years.
(02:18:14) Gullintanni: I got a better question
(02:18:19) World Of Annelise: Fire away.
(02:18:22) Gullintanni: Where is choice in that question
(02:18:42) World Of Annelise: He died. You said everything in life is about choices, so clearly he must’ve made some choice that caused him to die.
(02:18:56) World Of Annelise: Right?
(02:19:23) Gullintanni: And there are other choices you don’t know about
(02:19:42) World Of Annelise: Stop sidestepping the question. Did that guy or didn’t he make a choice that resulted in his death?
(02:19:46) Gullintanni: but that gets into a reglious discussion
(02:19:57) Gullintanni: that question is answered twit
(02:20:00) World Of Annelise: It’s a yes or no question.
(02:20:47) World Of Annelise: Or we can go back to the convenience store guy if you want, which by the way is a true story, happened to my great grandfather.
(02:21:08) World Of Annelise: Same principle. Is it the result of that guy’s decisions that he got shot and killed?
(02:21:36) Gullintanni: no more stupid questions
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You ask, “Either of you familiar with Straight Dope?”
Jessica says, “nope”
You snap your fingers.
You say, “www.straightdope.com, check it out sometime, it rocks.”
Jessica absently bobs her head like a parakeet.
You say, “I’m totally saving a log of tonight.”
Jessica exclaims, “Me too!”
You say, “If there’s ever any question again of the sanity of Gullintanni, I need no other witnesses.”
Jessica laughs.
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(02:21:36) Gullintanni: no more stupid questions
(02:21:55) World Of Annelise: They’re pretty serious questions actually.
(02:22:06) Gullintanni: no, stupid questions
(02:22:07) World Of Annelise: Are you familiar with Straight Dope?
(02:22:27) Gullintanni: no
(02:22:31) World Of Annelise: I’m not surprised.
(02:23:41) World Of Annelise: Well, I guess we’re not getting anywhere. Your head is the envy of blackholes everywhere.
(02:23:43) Gullintanni: i refuse to answer any questions already answered in anyway
(02:23:55) World Of Annelise: Yep, you’re right, they are answered.
(02:24:10) World Of Annelise: You answered them all as soon as you admitted that people can get killed without choice. You just refuse to admit it again.
(02:24:34) Gullintanni: You keep asking same question over and over again, just in different forms
(02:24:52) World Of Annelise: That’s cause you keep refusing to answer them.
(02:25:08) Gullintanni: I already answered them
(02:25:17) World Of Annelise: You certainly did.
(02:25:20) Gullintanni: ill repeat it
(02:25:26) Gullintanni: Life is made up of choices.
(02:25:34) World Of Annelise: Yes I know, parallel universes, choices, and father’s love their children.
(02:25:53) Gullintanni: that last part has nothing do to with it
(02:26:10) World Of Annelise: Oh sorry, I get confused when you interject random links into discussions, you know.
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Jessica laughs.
You say, “I should totally start a straightdope thread on this.”
You say, “The log would probably make most forums cry though.”
Jessica laughs.
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(02:27:21) Gullintanni: I was trying to change the subject of an never ending decussion
(02:27:42) World Of Annelise: There’s a reason it won’t end, but we’ve already explored that.
(02:27:44) Gullintanni: Whats another word for choice
(02:27:52) World Of Annelise: Decision?
(02:27:56) Gullintanni: freewill
(02:28:01) World Of Annelise: Profound.
(02:28:05) World Of Annelise: And entirely irrelevent.
(02:28:09) Gullintanni: no
(02:28:14) Gullintanni: freewill and choice are the same
(02:28:32) World Of Annelise: Right, that’s why it’s irrelevent. We’ve already been talking about it all night.
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Jessica says, “I wonder how annoyed he is by me.”
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(02:29:23) Gullintanni: i feel like mixing time travel into it all
(02:29:45) World Of Annelise: Certainly can’t be any worse than parallel universes.
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You say, “Seriously. He’s got to be either playing a huge prank, or demented.”
Jessica says, “I go with demented.”
Ethan concurs.
You say, “Apparently time travel can be achieved by choice. Hot damn, let’s get on it.”
Ethan says, “Wow.”
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(02:29:59) Gullintanni: thats a result of choices
(02:30:03) Gullintanni: theory at least
(02:30:24) World Of Annelise: Time travel is?
(02:30:46) Gullintanni: confuse the hell out of you
(02:30:54) World Of Annelise: Not really.
(02:31:16) Gullintanni: if a person chooses to cross the street and gets hit by a car
(02:31:35) World Of Annelise: Wow, that sounds eerily like all the questions I’ve been asking tonight…
(02:31:48) Gullintanni: hence why i choose it
(02:31:55) Gullintanni: But at the time of the choice, he didn’t know he was to be hit by the car.
(02:32:06) World Of Annelise: Right, so he didn’t choose to get hit by that car.
(02:32:29) World Of Annelise: I bet that guy in the car didn’t go ‘Hmm, I’m going to run over some pedestrians today.’ either.
(02:32:41) Gullintanni: when the man made the choice and knew he was going to be hit by a car, do you think he would still attempt to cross the stree?
(02:33:07) World Of Annelise: Of course not. You realize you’re totally undermining yourself here. You just admitted that he didn’t choose to get hit by that car.
(02:33:27) Gullintanni: confused you
(02:33:34) World Of Annelise: No you didn’t.
(02:33:43) Gullintanni: yeah i did
(02:33:49) World Of Annelise: How so?
(02:33:51) Gullintanni: Either, he is still making a decision
(02:35:13) World Of Annelise: You’re totally missing the ball here. Either he didn’t know he was going to be hit by the car, and thus didn’t make a choice TO be hit by the car, thus it was not hit choice. Or…he made the decision to be hit by the car BY choosing to the cross the street, knowing he would be hit or not.
(02:35:19) World Of Annelise: There’s no other option.
(02:35:40) Gullintanni: Rather he knew or not, he still made a choice
(02:35:48) World Of Annelise: Right, so you’re saying he chose to die.
(02:36:01) World Of Annelise: By crossing the street, not knowing if he would be hit.
(02:36:01) Gullintanni: no
(02:36:07) World Of Annelise: Yeah, you did, sorry to break it to you.
(02:36:29) World Of Annelise: Either he did or didn’t choose to die, there’s no other answer.
(02:36:48) World Of Annelise: It doesn’t matter what decisions led up to it. Totally irrelevent.
(02:36:49) Gullintanni: Without knowing, he choose cross the street.
(02:36:53) World Of Annelise: Did he, or didn’t he, choose to die?
(02:36:59) Gullintanni: With know, He choose to kill himself
(02:37:15) World Of Annelise: So you’re saying he chose to die. Why do I feel like I’m repeating myself?
(02:37:45) Gullintanni: time is confusing
(02:38:13) Gullintanni: on other hand, if he didnt want to die, and knew crossing at that moment would kill him, He probaly wouldnt have crossed
(02:38:28) World Of Annelise: Seems plausible.
(02:39:46) World Of Annelise: So let’s say he didn’t know a car was going to hit him. He just wants to get to the coffee shop on the other side and have a warm croissant. And yet he gets hit. Did he or didn’t he choose to die? It’s a simple question, simple answer. Doesn’t matter what decisions led up to it. Was that his choice to die.
(02:39:57) World Of Annelise: Yes or no.
(02:40:04) World Of Annelise: Yes he chose to die, or no he didn’t.
(02:40:06) Gullintanni: He choose to cross
(02:40:14) World Of Annelise: That’s ignoring the question.
(02:40:17) Gullintanni: no
(02:40:19) World Of Annelise: He chose to cross, we got that already.
(02:40:20) Gullintanni: i answered
(02:40:23) Gullintanni: next question
(02:40:23) World Of Annelise: Does that mean he also chose to die?
(02:41:14) World Of Annelise: I don’t want to hear another word about parallel universes, time travel, fathers with their children, other choices. One choice. He died, was that his choice.
(02:41:29) World Of Annelise: It doesn’t matter what choices led him to that spot in life.
(02:41:45) Gullintanni: He choose to cross the stree
(02:41:46) Gullintanni: street
(02:41:56) World Of Annelise: Shut the fuck up about the street. We already know he chose to cross it, stop repeating yourself.
(02:42:00) World Of Annelise: Did he choose to die?
(02:42:25) Gullintanni: Yes, he choose to cross the street
(02:42:35) World Of Annelise: Thank you.
(02:43:26) World Of Annelise: So the WTC employees chose to die by going to work. My daughter chose to get raped by walking home from school. My great grandfather chose to be shot by buying from a convenience store. You have enlightened me. I can now go to sleep.
<sign off>
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That thing reads like it was written by one of those artificial intelligence programs like Eliza. Maybe someone is experimenting with Artificial Unintelligence somewhere.

5

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The content looks tasty, but way too long. I apologize, but will agree with you on principle.

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Heh, I do apologize for that, Zebra. If you want, you could just read the last post about it, it’s relatively short and gets the primary points across.

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DriftwoodBadger, posting 20 pages of some random chat conversation you had somewhere else seems a tad…unnecessary. In the future, if you want to share something this long, stick it on a webpage somewhere and link to it.