Living in MA now, I have to wonder if this is causality or correlation. MA has a (for the US) low rate of gun ownership and a high rate of legal strictures (on everything), so maybe both the tough gun laws and low gun deaths are cultural phenomena rather than one causing the other.
I am aware of that
Only under circumstances where other options do not exist and it is a necessity.
For example…?
Above my pay grade and too far irrelevant to the OP which is about a specific circumstance to which I will say I don’t like the idea of criminalizing tragic accidents and set the concept of justice is that you are made whole again by destroying another’s life (which ultimately does not make anyone whole).
The decision not to properly secure a weapon is not an accident.
In your example it perhaps an inference can be drawn that the child found an unsecured gun, but does not explicitly say that. The gun may have been properly and legally secured. Here’s one such device that a child’s toy could be used to open…
There are may more examples of secure gun locks that a child could easily open for play purposes or in the case when a child needs a firearm for its intended purpose.
So in short in your example it is unknown if a gun was secured or not nor the purpose the child used it. Without those questions answered It’s impossible to provide what my opinion of any legal aspects of such a thing.
Did you actually watch that video? 'Cause no lock was was opened with a Lego.
You are correct in this, but the lock was defeated
Well OK how about using a twig then…
And I can go through a list of gun safes as well that a child could reasonable defeat. So we would have to start at the beginning of what is the requirement of securing a firearm and where the fault lies in vulnerabilities that may exist.
Yes, LPP’s point is “Don’t buy shitty gun locks”.
I’d point out there’s no legal requirement that one must manufacture a functional gun lock, so the market is flooded with ‘’‘gun locks’’’ that are in no way gun locks.
Why one would want a gun lock that a child could open remains a question.
Good video. It brings us back to my earlier point that some sort of actual federal standards on the various mechanisms are a good idea. Very little is going to be perfect, as even the most solid vault style safes can be undone by sufficient neglect (I had a friend who used to have the combination to his vault style safe written on the whiteboard next to it because he kept forgetting ). I suspect like ‘child-proof’ caps, at some level we’ll have to find an option where hopefully the effort to get to the firearms is sufficient to deter most attempts, but it’s never going to be 100%.
Which is why I respected @Crafter_Man 's post (#86 I believe) in which he discussed the importance of education and removing the mystique of firearms. We didn’t absolutely agree of course, and he made the concession that the situation dramatically changes if you have people in your house that you cannot be sure of, you have to alter your preparations. The last word I think is key for any scenario - plan ahead or expect a visit from Murphy.
I don’t normally watch viddies that are over an hour long…but this is not a normal video. I am 42 minutes into it, and learning a lot about gun security.
Just finished it, and am feeling a lot less confident concerning those who say, “Don’t worry-I keep my guns secure.”
Thanks that was really interesting.
That happens a lot. Indeed, when encountering a coded door at work I would usually search around the near walls to find the combination written on it somewhere nearby. I went back to one of the old firm’s places last week and they were still doing it.
It’s actually pretty simple. You separate the ammunition from the gun .
On my less generous days I suspect a conspiracy from the accessories industry wanting to make you go through dozens of different aftermarket items of increased priceyness until you find the right one that works for you.
LPL’s latest very stupidly overpriced example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H82WX4sJBcs
As to that final question: because many people don’t really want a true safety lock, they are just checking the box of “yes, a locking device exists” for the sake of some liability coverage. (I suppose some of them also, for some reason, presume their children are absolute imbeciles.)
So do you think everyone should be provided a free gun? Should we all be provided a free printing press and national news agency too?
You can get a gun pretty cheap.
If you make an effective lock for the gun unaffordable, people will still get the gun.