Guys: How Did You Manage to NOT Get the Multiple Obvious Clues that She Liked You?

I will also go with lack of self-confidence or inexperience along with fear of rejection. Generally, it’s an inability to apply the signals she is giving you in a context you recognize that she is indicating romantic interest.

Basically if you see yourself as a dork, a “nice guy” or even just a regular guy who think’s the girl is out of your league, you may hesitate with indecision when she gives you the obvious signals. If you hesitate long enough, she will take that as a rejection and will then build a defensive barrier closing the window of opportunity.

Oh, wow. That is weird.

Thread answered in the first response.

One other factor:
The closest I’ve come to being oblivious is with my current girlfriend. I knew that she was friendly, cuddily, and flirty around me. What I did not know is that she was not this way around anyone else. Absent that information, the situation was ambiguous. Of course, i resolved the ambiguity quickly, but I didn’t actually KNOW even though she was being fairly obvious.

Except me, who just learned why I’ve been getting shot down by guys. :smack: I’m neither desperate, damaged, nor barking mad… just very up front and assertive about what I like and what I want. Apparently, that’s been perceived as “desperate, damaged, or barking mad” and no friggin’ wonder the boys I like drop off the earth after I hang out with 'em a couple of times.

So tell me, I’m supposed to play the game now and pretend to be something I’m not so that boys can be the pursuers and I can be a delicate flower who is too fragile and modest to go after what I want? Rather that compromise my integrity and self-esteem… I think I’ll just prefer to remain single.

While Justin Bailey’s analysis has the ring of truth about it, in my case there were extenuating factors I did not realise until much later.

You see, I have a degree of face blindness. Apparently most people can look at someone and see the identity in their faces. When I meet someone, I usually have to deduce who they are, by running an internal checklist: height? hair? clothing? vehicle? Are they where I’m expecting them? And the biggest one is, do they recognize me? (It’s surprising how much I rely on that.) With someone I know well, this process takes less than fraction of a second. (And even then, I’m easily thrown by a new hairstyle, different clothes, or a new context.)

In addition, I am very nearsighted. So I simply never see many things that others see. Signals, cues, whatever. I never had contact lenses until I was in university.

The upshot of all this is, it takes me a number of months of associating with someone before I am reasonably certain that I can reliably recognize them. If I meet someone once, I will NOT recognize them a second time unless most of the other factors are in place.

Now, I did not know of the face blindness until a few years ago, in my early forties. Looking back on high school, I can see how it had a huge influence on casual social interactions. Any social relations that arose from random light casual contact? Not for me, because I didn’t know who anyone was outside of the repetitive environments of class. They were simply part of the background.

In high school, I was naturally a suspicious type. My social career in senior public school was devoted to avoiding being harmed by bullies, not learning how to be personable. In high school, I had no social referents, no social confidence, and no social experience. So well into university, I had NO knowledge of dating or romance. I believed that I was unworthy, and climbing out of that belief was as undoable as going to California or becoming rich… it needed things I simply could not imagine having.

I look back on it now and see that there were several women I got along well with in university who might actually have been interested in me. One cooked me a meal. Several came to visit me at my parents’ place during the summer.

I went to visit one of them at her parents’ place, and came very close to connecting with her, but at the crucial moment, I fell back: ultimately, I could not imagine that I was worthy, and so I never kissed her. That is my greates regret.

This perception of unworthiness ontinued to dog me. A little later, when I was in electronics school, there were three beautiful women who worked at the Burger King across the road from my friend’s apartment. One was Asian, one was black, and one was a redhead.

We would go over there all the time to take breaks during study sessions at the apartment. My friend actually hooked up with one of them, spending the night with her in his room, while I studied electronics and then crashed on his couch. Man, did I feel left out… Later, one of them said that she ‘wanted to have my baby’; I thought she was mocking me. Why not? I had no other experience.

During electronics school, though, I came close to hooking up with a cute chubby Chinese girl in the other class. That was when things gradually began to shift. I never really relaxed with her, though, and eventually she connected with someone else. I remember she said once how surprised the was that I ‘let her go’.

Surely there is a happy ending to this tale of missed opportunities?

Please?

So, having said that guys can’t take obvious hints - let me also say that people (not just guys) can also go the total opposite way - and take everything as a hint or a personal attack.

I was friends with one guy for many years - who was constantly looking for signs and signals that just weren’t there. When his grandfather passed away, his ex-wife came to the funeral to pay respects to the family. When I called later to check on him, he was very upset because his ex had worn a skirt and black hose that day. He felt that she had specifically done it to torture him because she knew he had a thing for black hose.

No, hun, it was a funeral. She wore black out of respect. But I tried to give him that - that maybe he knew something I didn’t know.

Then a girl he was friends with mentioned that she was going on a date. He got mad at her because he felt she was talking about that to torture him because he wanted to date her, even though he had never told her that. Umm, sweetie? Not so much.

When he found out I was getting a divorce, he started making noises about us going out. I declined repeatedly, knowing it would never work. But at a weak moment involving alcohol I gave in and we dated for several months before I finally put the brakes on and broke it off. We remained ‘friends.’

Fast forward over a 1 1/2 years later, and things are pretty normal. We hang out once in a while - we both post on some of the same sites - it’s all good. And I’m dating people. So I’m posting on my lj account, like I normally would, just blogging about my life and different things. When I get this email from him, furious, because he feels like my lj posts are ‘rubbing my dating life in his face.’

Wha-huh? Let me get this straight. He’s making it a point to read my personal blog where I have been posting about my life from way before I met him - and suddenly - it’s all part of an evil plot to upset him? Homey don’t think so.

Thank you Mr. Toxic. The ride is over, please make sure you have all your belongings with you and exit to the right. Have a nice day.

I had a friend who really, really liked me several years ago and I never noticed until she flat out told me. Part of it was cluelessness I had back then, but part was that I never thought of her that way and as a result I wasn’t looking for those kinds of hints or signals.

So part is whether the guy is actually looking for signals. If you don’t think of someone as a potential mate, you probably aren’t going to look as hard for those kinds of signs.

Or put it this way: Timing and Response.

I was in a very very bad move and a woman I’d wanted for a long time made a mild advance, asking for me to help her with something. I was in such a state that I asked why she’d want help from me and stomped off. Later, I woke up and tried to ask her out, and she said no. End of the line.

She made the advance at exactly the wrong time, got a response that wasn’t the best, then lost all interest in me.

Damn. How could SHE have been so clueless as to not know that was the wrong moment???

When I was at my master’s program at Toronto I had two separate occasions about a month apart where women invited me to their room for no apparent reason. Nothing happened either time. My female friends razzed me unmercifully when I told them these stories.

Yes, half, probably most, of the reason nothing happened was my massive inexperience with women. I spent half of my undergrad life as an under-18, the other half with near crippling depression which I only emerged out of at the end of my senior year. If there were multiple “obvious” clues I wouldn’t have seen them even if I knew what to look for. OK, there was one rather obvious clue. On occasion #1 the young lady was just wearing a slip. All right, that seems more than obvious in retrospect. Go me.

BUT. The lady in #1 had no interest in me. That was confirmed later by multiple other sources. We were kind of casually dating but she saw me…I’m not sure what as. I’d say “friend” but nobody I know treats their friends that way. She knew I was interested in her and she exploited that for purposes unknown. My friends eventually saw this and helped extricate me from the situation.

Which eventually led to occasion #2. Well, after being led around by the nose on occasion #1, she could have been under a neon sign reading “DO ME NOW!” and I would have had my guard up.

So that could be another reason. Some guys have been burned.

And none of the above has been made up, except there were occasions #3 and #4 that didn’t involve being invited to dorm rooms.

On the subject of rejection, there are also people who enjoy flirting but don’t really take it beyond that. And the problem is it can be hard to tell the women apart who just want to flirt or who enjoy the male attention vs. those who are actually interested in something beyond that.

So signs of interest alone really aren’t a guarantee that you should ask someone out. I’ve had several women flirt with me and give me signs, and when I asked them out they said they were married or busy. Some people just enjoy the attention, the talking and the flirting and aren’t looking for something beyond that. So signs alone aren’t always a green light.

Eventually, sort of.

I got a job, worked for a few years, had no oppurtunities, then chucked it all and went to animation school. There I met someone I did hook up with. It lasted only a few months though. Later, I went back to work. No oppurtunities for 14 years, in spite of some trying on dating sites. Then, last summer, I met someone on a dating site, we hit it off, and we were together for a few months. It didn’t last, but we remain friends.

Right now, I have other things on my plate, like starting a business after being laid off. So I’m not worrying about it anymore. :wink:

Oh, yeah, TOTALLY not weird. :slight_smile:

well…
a) There are, surely, people who are never going to connect intimately with members of their desired sex.
b) Just by the law of averages, some of them are not going to be obnoxious, gross, deformed, psychopathic, etc.
c) A smaller number yet might even make excellent soulmates, life companions, or even just sleeping partners.
d) Life is not fair. One can only conclude that it’s just not in the cards for them somehow - for whatever reason.

Isn’t this a bit like asking someone to review a movie they haven’t seen? How do we describe a situation we weren’t aware of?

Apart from that, I’m the perfect person to answer this. I’ve either been ignored, or I’m as thick as two planks and have been missing hints my entire life.

“It seems we’re causing a lineup to form…I’ve got the evening off, here’s my number, give me a call/text after work if you want to keep debating the merits of brown eggs! Have a nice day!”

What’s the worst that can happen? She never calls you, because, really, eggs aren’t that interesting? At worse, she remains the person who works at the convenience store with whom you had that funny conversation once.

You’re not dating her now. If she says no, you still won’t be dating her. So you really have nothing to lose!

So two years ago this girl who looked like Lucy Pinder was giving me massive positive signs. Hanging around me, arranging things to be just me and her. Inviting me places, bla bla.

I am not bad looking, and I have many positive qualities, but I am certainly not what I would consider what a woman was looking for.

So any thoughts about why the Pinder-a-like was behaving like that to me I just dismissed at ever turn. Why would someone who looked like that want anything to do with someone who was like me?

In the end she just jumped on me and we spent the night together.

Even after that I was unsure, and a month later she told me she was in love with me. Finally, finally, I got the message. (She broke my heart after four months but, meh, I had a very good time until I ended up with clinical depression.)

See, I’m a guy and it’s bleeding obvious what it means to me. Why? Context. It’s such an odd question. How often to you hear people ask if someone else needs to go to the bathroom? Sure, there are scenarios, i.e. you’re about to go on a long road trip, or start a project that demands few to no interruptions, but overall it’s just a strange question. As such, looking for another meaning is something that’s pretty natural, from there there’s not many scenarios that it could entail. Whether it’s from stereotyping or just lack of options, “let’s go gossip” is probably the most likely, though there are a few other scenarios such as “honey, your make-up is running but I don’t want to draw attention to it, go check it in the mirror” and other things like that.

Ah see, now here comes the fun part, infinite loops. A guy might see something as a romantic signal, but then decide that she was making fun of him, then decides he’s getting too defensive and he doesn’t want to be Mr. Toxic. So he then he concludes that it means nothing by triple logic leap. Of course, that would be dense, so maybe it is a romantic signal after all…

I think for some people, like me, it’s almost entirely a self-esteem issue. One of the thought processes I can have essentially goes “I think she’s flirting with me. No, she wouldn’t flirt with me, I’m too bad of a person.” Now, you might think “well, change that thought.” Not that simple, my self-justification for being a bad person? The fact that I conclude I’m a bad person so easily. There’s more “logic” to it than that, it’s not quite “I’m a bad person because I say so” like it sounds, it’s more like “I’m a bad person because I have low enough self-esteem to conclude I’m a bad person, and therefore I’d be toxic to a relationship because I’d drag the girl into my self-esteem issues so I’d be a bad person…” you get the point. Of course, I know it’s a completely stupid premise. I can diagram and prove that it’s a stupid premise, however that also gives me more fuel for the same stupid premise I disproved.

I should mention that I sometimes am able to conclude that a girl was indeed flirting with me, and was indeed sincere about it, but that I shouldn’t pursue it because one shouldn’t enter a relationship if one has low self-esteem (which I really do think is good advice, and if I never have a date because of it, so be it).