HA! The IRS "Scandal" Was A Crock O' Shit!

As reported by the media, BOLO list or no, progressive groups got quick approval.

Secondly, Carter Hull has testified that Tea Party applications were requested by Wilkins, NOT progressive applications. Then a year later, Wilkins ordered that the Tea Party groups be contacted again to provide more information. TEa Party groups. Not progressive groups.

The basic lie is that a) this happened at Cincinnati, and b) since the BOLO lists were in Cincinnati, both progressive and Tea Party groups were treated the same. It’s debunked by the fact that once you start looking at DC you find that officials were only interested in Tea Party applications.

So ,now that we know that Wilkins is the next guy up the chain, did he order it on his own, or did someone tell him to do so?

Peggy Noonan highlights the key testimony:

Ms. Hofacre of the Cincinnati office testified that when she was given tea-party applications, she had to kick them upstairs. When she was given non-tea-party applications, they were sent on for normal treatment. Was she told to send liberal or progressive groups for special scrutiny? No, she did not scrutinize the applications of liberal or progressive groups. “I would send those to general inventory.” Who got extra scrutiny? “They were all tea-party and patriot cases.” She became “very frustrated” by the “micromanagement” from Washington. “It was like working in lost luggage.” She applied to be transferred.

So I’ll say it again. the meme being pushed by Democrats that progressive groups were also singled out? Lie. Big fat lie.

And you can’t think of a single reason why that might be so that doesn’t involve political persecution?

Suppose it was your job. You are supposed to protect us from scofflaws flauting the tax rules. Suppose you take that job seriously. Is the defining characteristic of the “tea party” groups political, or not? If a group of people is decidedly political in purpose, obviously so, do they not deserve…nay, require!..extra scrutiny? Especially when they claim special tax privileges reserved for groups that are not, repeat, not! primarily political.

You’ve seen Tea Party functions on TV, with and without Fox News cheerleaders. Are those meeting predominately political, or are they gatherings of needlepoint enthusiasts?

She must have been busy, processing every single application from every group in the nation. Because if she didn’t, your hyperbolic “Big fat lie!” is based on a very small sample.

It might not involve political persecution. However, it was definitely treating groups differently based on ideology. Determining the motivation for it and where the orders ultimately came from is why we’re having an investigation.

It would also be nice to know why the IRS hasn’t been forthcoming. THey tried to stage-managed the release of the bad news and apparently their investigation wasn’t very thorough, because Congress keeps on finding out new information that the IRS could have found out just by asking people.

Of course, Lois Lerner sitting in on interviews with employees might have had something to do with them clamming up.

The IRS claimed that TWO employees were handling the applications. That’s at least one story that’s been kept straight so far. We’re only talking about 35 applications or so. In the private sector they would have had much bigger workloads, and that’s without higher ups offering to “help”.

For another viewpoint on Peggy Nooner’s analytical acumen, I link a recent offering from the Daily Kos

(Not you, adaher. The lefty cootie rate there is beyond your shield capacity, and your dilithium crystals would buckle and then burst)

They note that the essential facts of this latest bombshell have been known since early May.

I would offer choice excerpts but that carries the risk of quoting her, and I will do anything for loathe… but I won’t do that!

It helps if you have a bit of the hair of the dog that bites her. I wouldn’t suggest trying to keep up, though…that way lies madness and alcohol poisoning.

I’m a very dangerous conservative. I actually read Daily Kos, a lot. Although I read TPM more. I’m on to you guys.:slight_smile:

I’d note that the “old news” defense isn’t a defense at all, yet seems to be treated as an “AHA!” argument by those making it.

Aside from that, there’s nothing in that post that provides any enlightenment at all. It continues to push the falsehood that progressive groups were targeted, and furthermore adds to the lie by saying it was “edited out”.

The actual process goes more like this:

  1. IG investigation finds targeting of conservative groups.
  2. Bush appointee heading the IRS is fired.
  3. New Democratic appointee “finds” evidence that progressive groups were targeted.
  4. IG never saw these documents before.
    Now if I’m putting two and two together, it becomes clear now why the Bush appointee was fired. Not because he was responsible, but because he wouldn’t defend the administration’s interests. Werfel has gone right to work on that. Furthermore, if this went all the way up to the counsel’s office, then it’s plausible that the head of the IRS wasn’t even in the loop. Democrats are going to regret pushing the “Bush appointee” meme.

You’ve got to be done Adaher… ISSA surely is after all this:

But never underestimate an idiot like ISSA I guess.

More attempts to obfuscate. Yes, there was no political motivations at the Cincinnati level, and Carter Hull certainly had none either. So now we find out what the counsel’s office’s motivation was. Wanting to only see Tea Party applications and not progressive applications doesn’t happen by accident.

As for the “old news” aspect, yes, we knew the counsel’s office was involved, but we hadn’t heard from Carter Hull, who was in the counsel’s office, that it wasn’t his idea. I’m sure most liberal writers understand these distinctions, so I question their good faith. As for Democratic Congressmen, Elijah Cummings is losing all of his credibility. His position seems to be that if the White House didn’t order Elizabeth Hofacre to target his political enemies, that there’s no story here.

It’s getting so predictable that I can even predict the spin if we find out that the counsel himself personally came up with the whole idea, and was politically motivated in doing it:

“See, the White House wasn’t involved! See how bad this makes Darrel Issa look!”

That’s not really fair. It’s not like anyone has to try very HARD to make Issa look bad…

Thus the desire to make what the IRS did about Issa. We’ve seen this movie before with Ronnie Earle. Tom Delay committed multiple felonies, but it was really about Ronnie Earle.

No, you are not, you are a useless tea pamphleteer that does not care that they spew bullshit even when you acknowledge that they do.

As for the matter at hand, I see your ¨actual process¨ as arriving to a conclusion with no evidence whatsoever, I see your post and there is **nothing **to show that the evidence found that progressive groups were also targeted to be false.

There’s no evidence that progressive groups were targeted. All your side has produced is a BOLO list. But there’s nothing unusual about a BOLO list. Prove that DC officials demanded progressive applications, then you have something.

Nah, that’s ok, we’ll just wait for the big bombshell what’s coming any day now.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130718/NEWS/307180144/IRS-watchdog-just-got-documents-about-progressive-groups?nclick_check=1

Dangerous? Sure you milk-toast non-straight shooter.

Well, that can’t be the latest bombshell, that was dated yesterday!

Plus we don’t know what the documents say. Probably just the same thing as before: that progressive groups were on BOLO lists. If progressive groups were being targeted by DC, Carter Hull would have said so.

Me as well.

But that doesn’t matter to the leftists here. They will defend their corrupt big government agenda at any cost.