Handicap the GOP nomination race

I was going to say something about how both McCain and Romney desperately need a win in Michigan, because for both of them, it represents the last good chance before Super Tuesday to pick up a win, and while both are likely to win a state or two on Feb. 5, it’s unlikely that either of them will win many more that day if they haven’t won since NH (in McCain’s case) or since Wyoming (in Romney’s).

I think that’s still true, except for the ‘desperately’ part. It gets back to the ‘none of these guys can win’ meme, with an added wrinkle.

Most people believe that if there were only one major candidate other than Huckabee in the race, that candidate would probably beat Huck fairly easily, and win the nomination. But the presence of several anti-Hucks gives Huck the opportunity to parlay a ~35% share of the GOP electorate into a serious run at the nomination.

At this point, if you’re McCain or Mitt or Rudy or even Gramps, then no matter how badly you do before and on Super Tuesday, you still have a chance to become the standard-bearer for the anti-Huck forces if nobody else does appreciably better, and no major anti-Huck voting blocs simply can’t abide you. (With the caveat in Rudy’s case that he’s got to show some legs in states that aren’t inclusive of or adjacent to NYC.)

So as long as Huck doesn’t win so many delegates by Feb. 5 that there’s essentially no way he can be stopped even by a single major opponent, what’s happened is that the make-or-break point for the anti-Hucks has been pushed way back.

What if Huckabee wins MI, SC and FL? He is certainly the only one with any shot of a sweep in these states. Would he even be stoppable at that point? He would have a big lead and all those Bible-belt and midwestern states on tap.

IMHO, it would depend on whether all but one of the anti-Hucks were willing to drop out of the race after Feb. 6. It would be tough, though.

FWIW, assorted new polls are coming in showing McCain getting a post-NH ‘bounce’ in the upcoming states, putting him in the lead in MI and SC.

Strategic Vision shows McCain leading Romney and Huckabee in MI, 29-20-18.

Rasmussen shows McCain leading Huckabee and Romney in SC, 27-24-16.
FOX, also in SC, shows McCain leading Huckabee and Romney, 25-18-17.

Meanwhile, Datamar’s (PDF) pre-NH poll of Florida Republicans showing Huck leading Romney, McCain and Rudy 24-20-18-16 has been contradicted by a similar poll by Insider Advantage, showing Rudy leading Huck, McCain, and Romney, 24-19-19-13. Presumably the first post-NH poll of FL will show an increase for McCain, too, but he’s within striking distance as it is.

I’ve been saying for awhile that Michigan’s gonna be key. It could decide which candidate rolls through SC and FL.

ETA: I just didn’t expect McCain would have a chance of being that candidate.

If you look at pure qualifications, McCain is a pretty good pick. He’s excellent on foreign policy. While he supported the war, he also opposed the Bush Administration’s Iraq occupation plan right from the get-go, and he was the first major figure to support Petraeus’s vision of how to win the war, Several years before the ‘surge’ was finally allowed to happen.

He also has a reputation for honesty and for following his convictions, regardless of whether they fit in with his party or not. He was a darling of the left not long ago because of his vociferous opposition to Bush on Iraq policy, on torture, and on other significant matters. That’s what makes Republicans worried - they’re worried that he’ll break ranks with them on issues they care about because he doesn’t agree with them. He’s not a good party man.

But isn’t that really what you want in a President? Someone who will just try to do the right thing, no matter which side of the political divide the answer lands on?

My biggest worry about McCain would be his age. If he did two terms, he’d be in his 80’s by the time he left office - several years older than Reagan when he left. I think that will be a significant liability for him in the general election. No one’s much talking about it now, but you can bet in that in the general election there would be questions about his health, doctors would be interviewed on camera on the chances of a 73 year old living to 82, questions about what would happen if he seemed to be losing his touch while in office, yada yada. It’ll be a big issue - especially if the opposition is Barack Obama, because the contrast with him will be large.

But you couldn’t ask for a better commander-in-chief than McCain, and that’s a job which is becoming more important again.

One risk with Obama is that his first year in office could be a time of opportunism by some countries, hoping to capitalize on his lack of experience. And since he doesn’t have an executive track record, you’re basically just hoping that the guy’s up to the task when you have no evidence of it.

Many feel that the Cuban Missile Crisis came about because the Soviet Union thought it could outmanoever a 40-something new president with little experience. The next president is coming into a tough world (partly thanks to the outgoing president), and he’d better be able to hit the ground swinging.

The only people in the race that I have that confidence about are McCain and Hillary. Hillary because she’s got Bill to consult with and will come into the White House with an experienced team of professionals who have been associated with the Clintons for a decade or more.

The next group would of candidates most capable at being CinC out of the gate are Romney , Guliani, and Thompson - Romney because of his excellent record as businessman and executive who can work under pressure. He did a phenomenal job turning around the Olympic fiasco. That should count for something. Thompson has decades of experience in Washington and has sat on many security-related committees.

Then you’ve got Obama, Huckabee, and Edwards. The three guys I’d trust the least. I’d put Obama ahead of the other two purely on my impression of his high intelligence and character. Edwards and Huckabee are a complete crapshoot. There’s just nothing about them that would suggest they’d any good at the job. Huckabee’s run a state, but it looks like he also has a record of some questionable judgment. Edwards has really been a trial lawyer most of his life, with one very unexceptional stint as a Senator.

I haven’t seen the debate tonight, but there’s a consensus in the conservative blogworld and opinion sites that Fred crushed everybody. The crowd at National Review are giddy about him right now, and they officially endorsed Romney. Apparently, Fred pretty much tore up Huckabee.

I don’t know if this will translate into huge votes in South Carolina, but if Fred can pick up even a few more points from Huckabee, he could land in second or close third before this is over, which would keep him in the running for a while longer. And he’s meeting his fundraising goals on his web site, so he’s still got money.

I think South Carolina will be an interesting race. If Huckabee gets pulled back down into the pack and some of his votes go to Thompson, then you’ve probably got the top four or five Republicans within 5 points of each other. It’ll be a true horse race right down to the wire.

Sam Stone, I caught part of this debate and part of the last one. Thompson might be positioning himself to be McCain’s running mate. Last time he went on the attack against Romney and did a good job tearing into him. This time he really bit into Huck. Earlier on, he had made some biting commentary on Rudy. I am beginning to wonder if he has self-appointed himself McCain’s pit bull. He was a co-chairman on McCain’s election committee in 2000 if I recall.

Maybe this is his way of getting his friend the nomination and positioning himself enough in the public eye to get the VP nod.

I forgot to add: I saw a national poll this morning and Rudy has dropped like a rock.

Jim

Wouldn’t that be fun? A presidential ticket with a combined age of about 180…

The current record for oldest combined ages on a ticket is Truman-Barkley in '48, and, judging by the current historical consensus on Truman, it seemed to work out fine.

Well it gets interesting if McCain takes the ticket. As I understand it, McCain is friends or friendly with both Thompson (a conservative like McCain) and Rudy (who was a liberal Republican until he ran for President). So will he go for another old conservative, but good friend, a more moderate candidate he has been friendly with to try and broaden his appeal, of someone like Huck to appeal to the Theo-cons? I guess, I would still Rudy instead.

Meanwhile, can McCain get SC & Michigan? That would be huge for his chances. He looks like he would do well on Super Duper Tuesday, if he carried Michigan and South Carolina.

Jim

McCain could carry Michigan, he did at the last republican primaries IIRC. We have an open ballot here, just choose your ballot and vote! SInce the dem ballot has got to goto Clinton, why not crossover! :slight_smile:

Wanting to occupy Iraq essentially forever = ‘excellent on foreign policy’?

Please.

You’d think his sucking up to the late Jerry Falwell would have done some damage to that reputation. Apparently not in one particular household in Canada. :slight_smile:

Ditto his turning overnight from a Bush critic on many issues into Bush’s biggest suckup this side of Alberto Gonzales, back in May or June of 2004.

He talks a good game, which impresses Broder and his acolytes, and gets them to write nice things about him. Then he votes with his party.

It’s only been about 16 months since the Military Commissions Act passed Congress, thanks to McCain, Warner, and Graham playing that game. How soon we forget.

But isn’t that really what you want in a President? Someone who will just try to do the right thing, no matter which side of the political divide the answer lands on?

If you feel that war is the answer, that would be the case. Otherwise, I’d be a better C-in-C than McCain. Which direction you want to go is just as important as whether you’ve got any skill in getting there.

Rudy’s run out of money to pay his staff.

I’m heartbroken, I tell ya. :smiley:

I get the very distinct impression that Thompson’s campaign serves no other purpose at this point than to stop Huckabee. Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that Thompson’s contributions these days are coming from the silk stocking boys in the big money wing of the party?

And it’s interesting that the conservative talking heads are trying to spin the debate exchange between Thompson and Huckabee into some sort of crushing victory for Thompson.

Do or die time for Huckleberry. If he survives this kneecapping by the Establishment Republicans, he’ll be tough to stop. Otherwise, looks like McCain’s the man.

Either of those two will be a challenging opponent for Democrats.

Fun fact: since Christmas, all four of the major GOP contenders except Gramps have been atop the national polling for the GOP nomination at one time or another, at least according to the Rasmussen Daily Tracking Poll.

And Christmas was only two and a half weeks ago.

It’s kinda like the 1967 AL pennant race, with Rudy, Mitt, Huck, and McCain filling in for the Red Sox, White Sox, Twins, and Tigers in no particular order, and Gramps in the role of the California Angels, who were kind of on the edge of the race, but never quite got in the thick of it.

Just so I’m clear, “Gramps” is Thompson? While he projects an elder statesman image, he’s actually not that much older than the other candidates and younger than some.

Paul - 72
McCain - 71
Thompson - 65
Guiliani - 63
Romney - 60
Hunter - 59
Keyes - 57
Huckabee - 52

Elder statesman image? Eldercare image, maybe…

I think it’s clear that Thompson looks like a President - it’s what did for a living. But his campaign seems to be based on the mistaken belief that looking like a President actually is a qualification to be President.

No surprise the Republicans go back to that well…and with more than one of the current crop of candidates, too. All the Mittster has is “the look”, too.

Eh, worked for Reagan.

Thompson *comes across *as being old, far more so than even McCain and Ron Paul, let alone the guys who were born after him.

But yeah, that’s who I meant.