Harry Potter 6 Thread--'Ware Spoilers!

Other random thoughts:

I’m so glad we got to see Fred and George’s joke shop. And, also, Fred and George. They’ve grown into good looking young men.

I think I laughed out loud more at this movie than any of the other ones combined. Ron’s great at the funny bits. I also liked how they included more “adult” humor.

Jim Broadbent was a great Slughorn.

The attack at the Burrow was…unnecessary. Though I don’t think it necessarily means the Burrow won’t be present for Deathly Hallows. Houses can be rebuilt, probably much quicker with magic. Also, Hagrid’s hut gets set on fire in the book, and it’s presumably still there in DH.

I didn’t mind Dumbledore’s line about feeling love’s sting but WTF was with him asking Harry about his relationship with Hermione? Maybe it was meant to show the audience that Harry and Dumbledore had a friendship beyond a normal headmaster/student relationship, but it weirded me out a little.

Alan Rickman is perfect as Snape. Although I wish the confrontation between him and Harry at the end had been more involved. I wanted to hear Snape’s line “Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed, Potter!” but it wasn’t included.

That’s all I’ve got for now.

I’m so disappointed–I was bored out of my mind. So bored that I was actually somewhat happy when Snape offed Dumbledore, because it meant the end was in sight. I wish they’d given Helena Bonham Carter more screentime–she was the only saving grace in this movie for me.

Leaky Cauldron’s archives aren’t working right now, but they showed photos of the cast filming the 7th movie, and it clearly showed a key scene involving Dobby.

The scene was(spoilers for the 7th movie/book):

Dobbie’s funeral and burial

i thought it was rather good. still not happy with the way gambon plays dumbledore. won’t have to deal with that anymore.

i don’t know why they didn’t go with harry under the invisibility cloak and being frozen by dumbledore. that would have been better than him just hanging around the stair case.

as i understand it they decided to go with the burrow burning instead of a big fight at hogwarts because of the final fight in deadly hallows.

not a great decision 'cause why would they need a bunch of deatheaters to kill dumbledore and then just leave. with only bellatrix having a bit of havoc. just didn’t make sense.

i will see it again though.

I interpreted it as you did and still think the line sucks as written AND performed. Gambon has rarely struck the right note as AD–he did with the “rank has it privileges” joke and the dry remarks re vomit.

There is no chemistry between him and Radcliffe. It is not believable that AD cares so much about Harry or that he would want to know specifically about his love life that way. I could see AD saying the sting of young love type thing, but that’s it.
Anyway, I really enjoyed it (what I can remember of it–it’s all fragmented from my fatigue). I like it for all the reason most people didn’t–I wanted more screentime for the romance subplots and the comedy at Hogwarts.

Things don’t add up, though and many of the criticisms are valid: the Burrow attack makes no sense (and there is NO reason for Bellatrix to keep taunting Harry about her evil deed in HP5–she had other things on her mind in HP6, IMS), and since Sirius is hardly mentioned (certainly not his backstory) anyone just watching this is bound to be puzzled by the referece.

I did not like the ending and thought it was anti-climactic–almost as bad as the crap ending to HP4 or HP5. Come to think of it, almost no HP movie has ended well. This one, though, ended with a whimper. Yes, it was good and subtle to put some ambiguity in re Harry and Hermione as seen from Ron’s POV, but the big story is brushed aside. They could have at least have included some type of phoenix song–I keep hearing the soaring voice used in LOTR when Frodo and Gollum fight for the ring (or is it after? It’s a haunting sound–not the lament for Gandalf bit but in ROTK… anyway, I digress).
I agree the final scene with AD was poorly staged–ok, lose the invisibility cloak, but have AD petrificus totalis HP at least!

Also, there is no point in dragging our attention to Fenrir IF there is no Bill and no time spent on Lupin.

I thought it was great. I’ve never read the books beyond the first one, and haven’t even seen the last two movies, but this film makes me want to read all the books and see the rest of the movies.

Something I was disappointed in, but understood was the scene in the cave. Gambon can’t act (for age purposes…mostly) all of the extreme feelings that Dumbledore was going through, so they had to tone it down. I still didn’t like it tho cuz he was basically just sitting on the floor saying “oooh” “aah” “kill me” (TERRIBLY ACTED!) as opposed to writhing, screaming, and begging for death.
PS- Tom Felton can act, good for him making us care about such an asshole.

I agree with all the above, especially the lack of exposition between HP and Snape. The final exchange was important, and the only real hint that Snape cared what happens to HP in the future. If I hadn’t read the book, I’d have no sense of ambiguity about Snape at the point, I’d just be sure he’s evil.

The waitress and the burrow scenes were both enjoyable, but the time could have been much better spent. I did like how Ginny blew right through the inferno while the others hung back. Then her father was able to get through after her. Great Love over Evil scene, AD would have been proud.

Still, I wanted to see the muggle Prime Minister. I think the bridge scene and the burrow were meant to convey the sense of overwhelming fear and day-to-day effects of LV. But in the same amount of time we could have had the scene we were all craving, and gotten the same sense.

I wanted to hear phoenix song. And if the comment above is correct, I find it tragic that we’ll see Dobby’s burial, but not Dumbledore’s. I wanted to see Grawp in his suit, and Umbridge flinching when the Centaurs come out. I sometimes think that they are purposefully cutting as many actors as possible to save money. As if this were some sort of low-budget risk-flick. Come on, you can afford to DO THIS RIGHT!

Somebody asked about the opening scene, and it was worth seeing. It was Harry and Dumbledore leaving the Ministry of Magic, Harry bloody and dull-eyed, and Dumbledore protectively wrapping an arm around him while cameras flashed from every side.

My final whinge, I wanted to see Dumbledore lay into the Dursley’s, and the look on Petunia’s face.

Now, having said all that, I thought it was a great film. Especially Emma Watson and Tom Felton. Hermione in the hospital, when she was relieved and embarassed, was fantastic. And Draco was wonderful throughout; I hated him and felt sorry for him all at once, and he managed it all with very few words.

Does Dumbledore say, “Severus…please,” before he dies?

Yup

I enjoyed it. I laughed more in this one than in any of the others, and I was happy to see them doing more with the day-to-day teenage stuff. I did miss some things, though; like the scene with the Dursleys, and there wasn’t enough Hagrid, and not enough Snape (can there ever be enough Snape?). I also didn’t like how the poisoning of Ron was played off for a laugh, and Sirius is never mentioned, and Dumbledore had no funeral. In fact, I was disappointed in the Dumbledore death overall; I went in fully expecting to be crying my eyes out by the end of the movie, like I did for [del]Edward[/del] Cedric, but I didn’t even tear up. But still, overall, this one might be my favorite, if only for the Felix Felicis scene, which was awesome.

I am a little concerned at all the stuff they’re omitting, because I’m starting to wonder how they’re going to make the last two movies make sense. I’ve read all the books so I know all the backstory; how are the people who’ve only seen the movies keeping up?

Two questions: During the scene at the lake, how many of you were surrounded by audience members who started making Gollum jokes? And during the raising of the wands, how many of you had an impulse to yell, “Play Freebird!”?

When Mcgonagall raised her wand at the end, all I thought of was a rock concert. I should have been thinking light over darkness. That was how disengaged I felt at this film.

I hated the last 25 minutes. As others have said Harry would NEVER have stood still while AD was attacked by Death Eaters. AD’s “Severus…please” was not done at all the way I heard it in my head. That line should have been a mentor asking a mentee to help his own mentee. It should have conveyed respect, not gentleness or weakness, which was what I heard. At the island AD should have been much more upset, not just sitting down and weak, but upset.
I will see it again, but at the dollar movies not at full price again.

Ditto on the joke shop, especially the tipping hat tower outside. (I’d totally go into a store that had that.)

A little touch I liked was the intro of Ron, Hermione, and others in the Burrow staircase scene.

This one seemed to have more humor in it, or perhaps the hundreds of people in the auditorium just were responsive.

SPOILER: I thought Maggie Smith’s nude scenes were gratuitous though, but I understand she insisted on them in her contract. (BTW, she’s looking old, older than 74 in fact; I hope she makes it through the next two because I really want to see her lead the desk charge in the final battle.)

Hagrid’s basically a cameo this time; his only real dialogue is in the scene with Aragorn’s body. And his height seemed somehow out of perspective.

I was a little disappointed by Dumbledore’s hand; I thought it should have been more like a charred talon than just scarred. Did Dumbledore seem ‘gayer’ in this one? (Maybe it was the knitting patterns- an odd thing for a guy who’s got a charred hand.) I also hoped sectumsempra would be bloodier or that Moaning Myrtle would appear as she did in the book.

Helena Bonham Carter is always a great crazy, and I did at least like her reprise of “I-killed-Sirius-Black!” (I can only assume Rowling’s behind the burning of the Burrow.)

I thought Ginny and Harry’s kiss was one of the best I’ve seen on screen in a long time. Very… sweet, and natural. And Ron’s [del]Ecstacy rolling[/del]love potion interceptance was well done.

Also disappointed that Harry wasn’t immobile under the invisibility cloak in the final scene. Speaking of, was Draco kicking him in the train in the book?

But all in all I’d give it at least an A-. I liked Order of the Phoenix better, but it’s a worthy connector, and this didn’t have a character to rival Umbridge (though Broadbent, not surprisingly, was good as Slughorn- but I still had hoped they’d hireIan McNeice).

Several costumed and robed audience members held up there’s in the theater where I went. (I went in costume as a Muggle who lives in a “still hot at midnight southern U.S. city”- shorts and T-shirt.)

Didn’t the Death Mark used to have a snake emerging from it’s mouth? I wondered if they found that too phallic, but given the play with the broomsticks I doubt it.

I thought it made him look useless and ineffectual as opposed to rendered helpless by Dumbledore’s spell.

Mostly enjoyed the film but like a few others have said, the ending suffered by excluding the battle scene.

Some of the negative feedback compels me to jump in with my generally optimistic perspective on this movie, the series best in my view.

I can’t help but notice just anecdotally that there seems to be a relationship between someone’s familiarity with the book and the degree of criticism they have for the movie. Some of the most enthusiastic praise I’ve heard is from those who either haven’t read the book, or read it a while back and don’t remember a lot of it. This isn’t new, it’s easy to spot all the omissions from a book and ponder how much better it played out in the format with a whole lot more room for elaborate setups and payoffs.

The thing is , I can understand why all of these most contentious choices were made in this one. It’s not that there’s not a little purist inside me, I’ve been critical of a lot of things in these movies. I think that they pretty much botched my favorite book in the series (Order), and all of the previous movies have near unforgivable moments for me (say the absences of any explanation of who the creators of the Mauraders Map were in PoA when it would have taken ten second in a scene that was already there at the end).

We mustn’t let the big picture slip away as we focus on the little things. Look at the scope of crafting a penultimate (sorta) chapter of a huge movie franchise. Think about the difficulty of capturing the general feeling of the magical world at war when you are adapting a book that is overflowing with detail and stray plot points, most of which the fans hold dear.

There’s a reason the critical consensus is that this is the best of the series from a purely film standpoint. Little things like the opening scene with the camera flashes from the mob press descending on the emotionally destroyed protagonist in slow motion, the transition to the otherwise normal boy flirting with a waitress while he reads about the weight of the world on his shoulders. This stuff wasn’t in the book, but those first minutes speak volumes even to the Potter novice. This is serious stuff.

As far the Burrow scene, the obvious main reason was that they needed another action scene to make up for all of the cut action from the finale (also a necessary move in order to make the final battle as awe inspiring as possible). Beyond that though, the scene also served to illustrate a few more things that we may understand as readers of the books, but needed a little more fleshing out for movies viewers. It shows that Hogwarts is indeed the safest place for Harry, the Death Eaters really do know no mercy, it adds to the tension and makes the viewer feel very uneasy about everyone’s safety outside of Dumbledore’s protection.In the book we had hundreds of pages of characters talking about how unsafe they felt and how dangerous this world is at this time…But in movies we have to show, not tell. Also, the house can be rebuilt.

Dumbledore asking Harry about his relationship with Hermione, once again we are blinded by our knowledge of the books. We all take for granted that Harry and Hermione are platonic, but in most movies where two characters come together in their heartbreak over their individual unrequited loves that’s a big flashing neon sign that says these two characters are going to get together. That one line of dialog just clears everything up for the viewer and assures them that the dynamic between the trio is not in fact going to turn into a love triangle.

This certainly was not the book to delved into Snape’s back story with James or Lily, nor should the movie be.

The finale was necessarily changed quite a bit. They really could not have had all the students and teachers and teachers join up to fight off the death eaters for obvious reasons. As for why the lead Death Eaters showed up…first of all they didn’t know what kind of resistance they would find, for all they knew there it could have played out the way it did in the book. Secondly, their job consisted of a lot of sitting around waiting for stuff to happen, these twisted people certainly wanted to get their hands dirty, and witnessing Dumbledore’s death would be both gratifying and confirmatory.

There were a lot of other criticisms I could respond to, but I don’t really want to write my own book about it. I’ll come back for more though if needed :slight_smile:

Also in regard to the Burrow scene, it sure was refreshing to actually be surprised by a HP movie! For a moment I was actually questioning whether or not I was completely forgetting an important part of a book I thought I knew pretty well. That part was cool.

That’s true. Kind of like True Blood on HBO; the deviations can make it interesting.

I enjoyed the movie, and if it had a little more teenie bopper snogging than could entirely hold my interest, well, I realize I’m not the target audience. :slight_smile:

Like CyclopticXander, I also try to parse “changes from book” in terms of decisions made to better suit time/medium. Making Harry invisible and then having Dumbledore silently freeze him would have probably been pretty tricky to film. Still, I think they should have tried it. (Especially since the invisible/frozen concept had already been demonstrated earlier in the movie.)

When has Harry ever not charged daringly or stupidly into battle? He’s not a strategist, he’s a Gryffindor! Even in the new scene the Burrow, the screenplay emphasizes his hotheadedness. There is no way that Harry would have not intervened in that situation unless he had been immobilized.

Insult to injury, Harry held back because Snape told him to? When has Harry ever listened to Snape?

I really wanted to hear Alan Rickman howl, “Don’t call me a coward!” Ah well.

Still, good movie. Jim Broadbent was brilliant and Hero Fiennes-Tiffin was very, very creepy.

I’m wondering if the Burrow fire and Harry’s uncharacteristic ending do go together. He rushes out of the burrow to follow Bellatrix without thinking, gets Ginny menaced by Fenrir, pulls Mr. Weasley and Lupin out to save them if needed, contributing to the Burrow burning. If they all stayed inside the ring maybe they could have fought the DE off/prevented the house burning. They could have all been slaughtered in the marsh.

Maybe they were trying to show Harry’s realizing the risk of his hotheadedness.

Dumbledore makes him promise to follow any order he gives, and Dumbledore tells him to hide. He trusts Dumbledore completely. And Dumbledore trusts Snape. And it bites Harry in the ass.

It does set up Harry’s disillusionment with Dumbledore in #7 after setting him on so high a pedestal.