I have talked to many people I know who never read the books, but saw the movies. No one I know thought that. That would really change the whole meaning of the movies if Draco killed Voldemort, and Harry ran away.
My take is that it is really only the Elder Wand that tracks its master that way. Your wand will pretty much always be your wand (with some exceptions), but the Elder Wand follows who won it in battle.
I know that this is correct, so I’m not disputing anything, but Harry Expelliarmused TONS of wands. So much so that it became his trademark. Seriously, there must be hundreds of wands with mixed up allegiances. Even just at Hogwarts the wands should be thoroughly mixed up after a defense against the dark arts class.
Yet no one notices until Ollivander explains it deep into Book 7. Sigh.
ETA: I really should finish the new posts before writing stuff.
I was unclear - at the time I didn’t think Draco would kill Voldemort and Harry would run away - I thought the switch would be revealed at the last second, as Harry-as-Draco revealed himself and killed Voldemort.
Ten minutes later I dismissed the whole thing, but at the time I thought “That’s Draco-as-Harry!”
Fair enough. “Looks cool” trumps “makes sense”, at least to moviemakers.
Yes, as I said, this wand allegiance thing is a giant ass pull on the part of Rowling. She didn’t think it up until book 7 because she wanted a means of subverting the power of the Elder Wand, so she could put the most powerful wand in the hands of the most powerful and evil Wizard and have Harry win. He wins because the EW likes him better.
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Neville had the hat (I believe he was wearing it in the book), and that is the swords portkey, so to speak.
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Someone mentioned the sword showing up vs Neville having the sword hidden in the Sorting Hat. When Neville finds the Hat, he is looking it over and sees something shiny in it. That is the Sword. He was then waiting for the right time to pull it. It didn’t come to him at the moment he pulled it, but at the moment he picked up the Sorting Hat.
As previously quoted, yes all Wands are subject to changing allegiances. Don’t look behind the curtain, there’s just an old man there, nothing important.
I thought Harry was just being a dick about liking Malfoy’s wand better, but then he didn’t fix his old wand (that we saw), so…?
I don’t recall us ever seeing a true duel before Deathly Hallows (outside of the one where Priori Incantatem comes into play in Goblet of Fire). All the duels we’ve seen other than these have been demonstrations or exercises, which certainly would not be sufficient to change a wand’s allegiance. I don’t consider (and don’t see how one could consider) all the fighting and whatnot in Order of the Phoenix to be duelling, and even if I did, we don’t know what happened to the wands in those cases. Did Sirius’ wand turn loyal to Bellatrix? Who knows?
In short, I think there’s a difference between “a giant ass pull” and “not writing yourself into a corner.”
Dumledore v Voldemort in the ministry, but I’m not sure there was a clear winner there.
Good catch, and I agree.
although… with it being dumbledore’s phoenix’s tail… i think it may put a bit of an advantage to dumbledore.
Harry being a dick is way out of character, so I doubt it. I never read it that way, myself. If he had returned Draco’s wand to Draco, Harry would have been left wandless and therefore defenseless, so bad move on his part–of course he wouldn’t just turn the wand over. Plus, the wand had chosen him as Olivander said.
I like that Harry saved Draco in the end. Tom Felton made it look like Draco really wasn’t sure about his family’s choices, but that his loyalty was to them, no matter what. Very Ashley Wilkes, really (in a way).
I don’t mind the bridge being blown up. This is the first movie where I minded Hogwarts changing–a boathouse? Seriously? Whatever…
Nitpick aside, I think this last movie was quite good. None of them will ever be the same as the book–they can’t be. What I do now (and perhaps most people do, too) is use the actors and settings in my head and create the scenes as I read. Very satisfying.
I was wondering about this…does Hogwarts actually change significantly from movie-to-movie? Is there somewhere that documents the changes? For some reason, I’m oddly curious about this.
With all the wand allegiances, it wouldn’t be known who the wand was loyal to unless the winner took and used the loser’s wand, which never seemed to happen. Whatever duels there were, the wands stayed with their owners. Harry’s expelliarmus expertise might be why he seemed to get exponentially more powerful though, so many wands refusing to work against him!
Also, it was noted in book one that Ron’s wand (a hand me down) didn’t work as well for him as when he got his own wand at the end of book two. Which was confirmed by Ollivander’s statement in that the wand chooses the wizard.
The seeds of the idea were there to be turned into the EW myth, not that I think she had actually planned it in that detail.
Don’t the first-year students ride boats from the train station to the school at the beginning of the year? So it’s quite reasonable for the school to have a boathouse.
Took my not-quite-six year old daughter today. She is a huge fan, and is planning a Harry Potter birthday party in a few weeks. While we did have several hide your eyes parts, and overall she loved it. But during the Pensieve scene, when she realized that Harry was actually a horcrux, she started sobbing very loudly. I thought we were going to have to leave the theatre, but I pulled her on my lap and told her that it would all work out, I had read the books so I knew. She calmed way down and was able to make it through the rest. Then, like a true little kid with random ideas, says her favorite part was getting to see everyone’s kids when they grew up.
Sure, there’s a boathouse. A boathouse that has never been seen (even when the lake has been featured as in book 4), never used, never referred to, never–well, you get my point.
Yes, Hogwarts has changed significantly over the years. In the first film, Hagrid’s cottage is quite close to the castle. It moves for the second movie, and then again for the 3rd (I think).
Some sets didn’t change: the main hall and its magical ceiling, the boy’s dorm (but I think the center stove was added in the later movies). AD’s office remained the same. The various towers and their rooms did change. I’m ok with them changing, just the boathouse jarred me a bit. No biggy.
Ah, thanks. I thought Hagrid’s house moved quite a bit further away than I had remembered…
vincent crabbe and gregory goyle exchange physical descriptions from time to time. too bad the actor goyle didn’t make it to DH2.
the movie also made it seem like there were house rowing teams.
the books do mention lake activities, mostly lounging around the shore, tickling the giant squid, occasionally swimming.
bet the giant squid made it more fun for the rowers.
Duh. It’s a movie about a magic school. Of course things changed. (Seriously, perhaps they moved Hagrid’s cottage because of his dangerous pets.)
Just got back from an Imax showing with my kids. We all loved it. The only weak point was Tom’s death, as many others have said in this thread - should have followed the book.
I just popped in the DVD of Sorceror’s Stone, and believe it or not you can actually see the boathouse in the very first shot of Hogwarts, when they’re crossing the lake. And geez, that 11 year old CGI is looking really dated.